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If said dude had the bible quotation about there being two genders, will that change the statement from being political to being religion, and prevent him from

If said dude had the bible quotation about there being two genders, will that change the statement from being political to being religion, and prevent him from getting fired? I don't think so.

klyrs 5y ago
Galatians 3:28?
filoleg 5y ago
>If said dude had the bible quotation about there being two genders, will that change the statement from being political to being religion, and prevent him from getting fired? You raise an interesting point, because I feel like they would be fired for that indeed. What makes it interesting is that it becomes a political message wrapped in a religious statement, and I have zero clue as to how courts would approach that. I think it just could be the case of a simple misconduct that has nothing to do with religious prosecution, because I don't think you would be able to get away with wearing a tshirt with a lot of really explicit and graphic quotes from the old testament at work, despite them having nothing to do with gender or politics (e.g., the example of Ezekiel 23:20 with very explicit content about reproductive anatomy of horses and donkeys comes to mind).
- foolinaround 5y ago
  Ok, but as this example demonstrates, a person's political views may stem from his religious views, which are protected.
  - filoleg 5y ago
    >Ok, but as this example demonstrates, a person's political views may stem from his religious views, which are protected. Yes, which makes me believe that you are legally protected from being fired for publicly expressing your affiliation with a religious group. However, you are not protected from being fired for expressing political views, regardless of whether they stem from the religion you are affiliated with or some other source. This is just an armchair lawyer level of reasoning on my end here, I have no idea if this is how it actually legally works, but that sort of makes sense. So if someone with the actual knowledge can chime in, that would be appreciated.
    - foolinaround 5y ago
      IANAL either, but the abortion issue is one such, and has been around for decades, and people have been vocal about their opinions, and I don't think they have got fired. this whole cancel culture I think has taken a turn for the worse in the recent past.
      - filoleg 5y ago
        >the abortion issue is one such, and has been around for decades, and people have been vocal about their opinions, and I don't think they have got fired Well yeah, but they can be, and their employer won't get in any legal trouble. Having controversial political statements on your tshirt doesn't mean that you will get fired or that you deserve to be fired, it means that your employer has a right to fire you for it with zero legal repercussions. And if the employer doesn't want to fire you for your political statement, they won't, it's up to them.
tehwebguy 5y ago
Nothing can prevent the firing but they would most likely have civil rights lawsuit available to them unless the company had less than 15 employees and was in a state without a more restrictive law than the federal Civil Rights Act.
fanciestManimal 5y ago
The analogy isn't really 1:1 in the first place. I see plenty of people wearing cross necklaces every day, which is more equivalent to wearing a shirt with an upside down pentagram on it. If the Satanist started wearing shirts with hateful stuff about other people, fire that person too.
root_axis 5y ago
Religious affiliation is protected but that doesn't mean every action taken based on a religious belief is protected. For example, if the individual started wearing the t-shirt the day after a heated religious debate in the office with an individual that identifies as non-binary, that could be perceived as targeted harassment.
- AnthonyMouse 5y ago
  > For example, if the individual started wearing the t-shirt the day after a heated religious debate in the office with an individual that identifies as non-binary, that could be perceived as targeted harassment. But most of these cases are equivalent to someone being fired for wearing whatever t-shirt at home, so that's not really a distinction that gets you out of the problem.
kokanator 5y ago
I just want to point out. This was first a religious belief prior to it being a political view. Therefore, it is an assumption to say the individual is conveying a political view. It very well may be a religious view that is being challenged in the political arena. Some doctors would also state that it is a scientific argument. ( not protected I know but just showing it isn't entirely political )

If said dude had the bible quotation about there being two genders, will that change the statement from being political to being religion, and prevent him from getting fired? I don't think so.

klyrs 5y ago

Galatians 3:28?

filoleg 5y ago

>If said dude had the bible quotation about there being two genders, will that change the statement from being political to being religion, and prevent him from getting fired? You raise an interesting point, because I feel like they would be fired for that indeed. What makes it interesting is that it becomes a political message wrapped in a religious statement, and I have zero clue as to how courts would approach that. I think it just could be the case of a simple misconduct that has nothing to do with religious prosecution, because I don't think you would be able to get away with wearing a tshirt with a lot of really explicit and graphic quotes from the old testament at work, despite them having nothing to do with gender or politics (e.g., the example of Ezekiel 23:20 with very explicit content about reproductive anatomy of horses and donkeys comes to mind).

foolinaround 5y ago
Ok, but as this example demonstrates, a person's political views may stem from his religious views, which are protected.
- filoleg 5y ago
  >Ok, but as this example demonstrates, a person's political views may stem from his religious views, which are protected. Yes, which makes me believe that you are legally protected from being fired for publicly expressing your affiliation with a religious group. However, you are not protected from being fired for expressing political views, regardless of whether they stem from the religion you are affiliated with or some other source. This is just an armchair lawyer level of reasoning on my end here, I have no idea if this is how it actually legally works, but that sort of makes sense. So if someone with the actual knowledge can chime in, that would be appreciated.
  - foolinaround 5y ago
    IANAL either, but the abortion issue is one such, and has been around for decades, and people have been vocal about their opinions, and I don't think they have got fired. this whole cancel culture I think has taken a turn for the worse in the recent past.
    - filoleg 5y ago
      >the abortion issue is one such, and has been around for decades, and people have been vocal about their opinions, and I don't think they have got fired Well yeah, but they can be, and their employer won't get in any legal trouble. Having controversial political statements on your tshirt doesn't mean that you will get fired or that you deserve to be fired, it means that your employer has a right to fire you for it with zero legal repercussions. And if the employer doesn't want to fire you for your political statement, they won't, it's up to them.

tehwebguy 5y ago

Nothing can prevent the firing but they would most likely have civil rights lawsuit available to them unless the company had less than 15 employees and was in a state without a more restrictive law than the federal Civil Rights Act.

fanciestManimal 5y ago

The analogy isn't really 1:1 in the first place. I see plenty of people wearing cross necklaces every day, which is more equivalent to wearing a shirt with an upside down pentagram on it. If the Satanist started wearing shirts with hateful stuff about other people, fire that person too.

root_axis 5y ago

Religious affiliation is protected but that doesn't mean every action taken based on a religious belief is protected. For example, if the individual started wearing the t-shirt the day after a heated religious debate in the office with an individual that identifies as non-binary, that could be perceived as targeted harassment.

AnthonyMouse 5y ago
> For example, if the individual started wearing the t-shirt the day after a heated religious debate in the office with an individual that identifies as non-binary, that could be perceived as targeted harassment. But most of these cases are equivalent to someone being fired for wearing whatever t-shirt at home, so that's not really a distinction that gets you out of the problem.

kokanator 5y ago

I just want to point out. This was first a religious belief prior to it being a political view. Therefore, it is an assumption to say the individual is conveying a political view. It very well may be a religious view that is being challenged in the political arena. Some doctors would also state that it is a scientific argument. ( not protected I know but just showing it isn't entirely political )