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But the case is about a school punishing her for it. I mean, sure, YOU can choose to ignore this 14 year old as irrelevant satire, but the school can't. Takin

But the case is about a school punishing her for it. I mean, sure, YOU can choose to ignore this 14 year old as irrelevant satire, but the school can't. Taking kids' communication seriously and teaching them how to interact with the broader world in a civil way is literally what schools are for. And that includes incentives like punishing them when they act like an asshole. The question is whether this mandate schools have (which we all agree they have!) extends outside school grounds, and how far. Now, maybe it does and maybe it doesn't (I for one am a little conflicted here and don't have a clear opinion). But whether it does or not has nothing to do with whether we should take student speech "seriously".

lindy2021 5y ago
That's clearly inconsistent. You don't let 14 year olds vote, drink, drive, or own a gun. They are expected to make mistakes. Chastising them for a private comment made outside of school is inconsistent with their obligations. The problem is you have these dying institutions riddled with power hungry sycophants who feel empowered with this wave of cancel culture.
908B64B197 5y ago
> but the school can't Oh yes it can. And should. > The question is whether this mandate schools have (which we all agree they have!) No we don't. It's literally the first amendment. Student was exercising her first amendment rights. School has a right to tell her that they don't agree with the opinions she expressed but certainly not the authority to punish her. Else it's a slippery slope [0] [1] [2] [0] https://nypost.com/2020/08/06/georgia-students-punished-over-snaps-of-crowded-school-no-mask-in-sight/ https://nypost.com/2020/08/06/georgia-students-punished-over... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/08/us/georgia-teen-photo-crowded-school-first-amendment-free-speech-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/08/us/georgia-teen-photo-crowded... [2] https://www.popsugar.com/family/Student-Punished-Sharing-School-Lunch-35776519 https://www.popsugar.com/family/Student-Punished-Sharing-Sch...
- newacct583 5y ago
  Again, if she said this in school it would be an irrelevancy and no one would have heard about it or care. Clearly the school is empowered to punish students for their speech, period. And SCOTUS isn't remotely interested in trying to draw a line there. The question here is under what circumstances student speech can be regulated, not whether.
jjcon 5y ago
> Taking kids' communication seriously and teaching them how to interact with the broader world in a civil way is literally what schools are for In no way is that the original or even modern purpose of schooling
kingdomcome50 5y ago
It’s mind boggling to me that an adult human being (who was once 14!) can hold such a ridiculous point of view. You must have simply forgotten what it was like... The behavior of this young child warrants (at most!) a sit down with an authority figure to discuss the problematic elements. If this wasn’t her first lapse of judgment, maybe hand down a temporary suspension from the team or something similar. The idea that this fiasco is somehow helping this kid is... I mean... come on now. What is happening to us? I’m not even old and I feel like that old man yelling at people to get off my lawn.

lindy2021 5y ago

That's clearly inconsistent. You don't let 14 year olds vote, drink, drive, or own a gun. They are expected to make mistakes. Chastising them for a private comment made outside of school is inconsistent with their obligations. The problem is you have these dying institutions riddled with power hungry sycophants who feel empowered with this wave of cancel culture.

908B64B197 5y ago

> but the school can't Oh yes it can. And should. > The question is whether this mandate schools have (which we all agree they have!) No we don't. It's literally the first amendment. Student was exercising her first amendment rights. School has a right to tell her that they don't agree with the opinions she expressed but certainly not the authority to punish her. Else it's a slippery slope [0] [1] [2] [0] https://nypost.com/2020/08/06/georgia-students-punished-over-snaps-of-crowded-school-no-mask-in-sight/ https://nypost.com/2020/08/06/georgia-students-punished-over... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/08/us/georgia-teen-photo-crowded-school-first-amendment-free-speech-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/08/us/georgia-teen-photo-crowded... [2] https://www.popsugar.com/family/Student-Punished-Sharing-School-Lunch-35776519 https://www.popsugar.com/family/Student-Punished-Sharing-Sch...

newacct583 5y ago
Again, if she said this in school it would be an irrelevancy and no one would have heard about it or care. Clearly the school is empowered to punish students for their speech, period. And SCOTUS isn't remotely interested in trying to draw a line there. The question here is under what circumstances student speech can be regulated, not whether.

jjcon 5y ago

> Taking kids' communication seriously and teaching them how to interact with the broader world in a civil way is literally what schools are for In no way is that the original or even modern purpose of schooling

kingdomcome50 5y ago

It’s mind boggling to me that an adult human being (who was once 14!) can hold such a ridiculous point of view. You must have simply forgotten what it was like... The behavior of this young child warrants (at most!) a sit down with an authority figure to discuss the problematic elements. If this wasn’t her first lapse of judgment, maybe hand down a temporary suspension from the team or something similar. The idea that this fiasco is somehow helping this kid is... I mean... come on now. What is happening to us? I’m not even old and I feel like that old man yelling at people to get off my lawn.