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It is tiring to watch a show that is supposed to be about entertainment but rather is a 2 hour lecture ( often demeaning ) on liberal politics from a bunch of m

It is tiring to watch a show that is supposed to be about entertainment but rather is a 2 hour lecture ( often demeaning ) on liberal politics from a bunch of millionaires patting each other on the back. It bears no distinct difference from turning on say CNN or MSNBC which you can watch any day of the week. Not to mention the shear amount of hypocrisy ( if anyone cares about that ). There is nothing unique or interesting about it.

specialist 5y ago
When is speech, art, culture not political?
- kokanator 5y ago
  When does an acceptance speech have nothing to do with the award you are receiving? To say everything is political is an easy out. The point is the awards show is supposed to be about the films and to acknowledge those who made it possible not political speeches given in the guise of an acceptance speech.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    The Oscars have always had this to some degree, though. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/feb/25/before-oscarssowhite-five-previous-academy-awards-controversies https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/feb/25/before-oscarsso...
- mezentius 5y ago
  Often. Speech, art, and culture do typically encompass politics, because politics are a social activity and therefore a primary concern of the humanities. But the argument that these things are therefore inherently political is specious, and (in my opinion) a product of the increasingly facile approach to the interpretation of art and culture in education that focuses exclusively on the teasing-out of supposed hidden messages and ideologies. (Twitter doesn't help, either.) In mirroring our lives, art and culture encompass layers of complex action and symbols that cannot be reduced to a singular message or call for political action. They are the process by which we sift through an opaque mixture of confusion and contradiction every day, searching for meaning. However, if you wanted to argue that award shows are inherently political, I'd probably agree.
  - kokanator 5y ago
    Very well stated. The art should stand by itself for what it is intended and if it, as it should, provides some commentary or some testing of ideas, that is what art has always done and is expected. My argument is specifically regarding the award show and how it has simply turned into a political vehicle for many often with little or no mention of the art by the individual/group which is being awarded.
    - specialist 5y ago
      > ...that is what art has always done and is expected. I'm now very interested to see your works of art. Links?
      - kokanator 5y ago
        @specialist Are you an artist? Do you have links to your art?
  - specialist 5y ago
    Examples would bolster your argument.
klyrs 5y ago
My not so humble opinion, awards shows have always been unwatchable rubbish about people I don't care about. Worse, I've listened to authors, actors, and artists talking about their art... god damn I have never been so bored. John Cleese is funny, right? Monty Python is funny, right? John Cleese talking about the making of Monty Python is the most boring, un-funny shit I've ever seen. Why do people watch this drek? No idea. Maybe if it's too politicized for people who are easily offended, its ratings will tank and it will drop off the air, and nothing of value is lost. Just like sports
- kokanator 5y ago
  Please don't take from my previous comment that I am offended by their political lectures. I just find it tiring and hypocritical. There was a time I was interested in watching these shows to see the individuals who experience breakout success and are very thankful for those who made it possible. This just does not seem to be the case in the present era.
  - klyrs 5y ago
    As you can probably guess, I didn't watch it myself, but multiple news feeds have informed me of a quirky acceptance speech where an actor thanked this parents for having sex... I guess that doesn't do it for you?

specialist 5y ago

When is speech, art, culture not political?

kokanator 5y ago
When does an acceptance speech have nothing to do with the award you are receiving? To say everything is political is an easy out. The point is the awards show is supposed to be about the films and to acknowledge those who made it possible not political speeches given in the guise of an acceptance speech.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  The Oscars have always had this to some degree, though. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/feb/25/before-oscarssowhite-five-previous-academy-awards-controversies https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/feb/25/before-oscarsso...
mezentius 5y ago
Often. Speech, art, and culture do typically encompass politics, because politics are a social activity and therefore a primary concern of the humanities. But the argument that these things are therefore inherently political is specious, and (in my opinion) a product of the increasingly facile approach to the interpretation of art and culture in education that focuses exclusively on the teasing-out of supposed hidden messages and ideologies. (Twitter doesn't help, either.) In mirroring our lives, art and culture encompass layers of complex action and symbols that cannot be reduced to a singular message or call for political action. They are the process by which we sift through an opaque mixture of confusion and contradiction every day, searching for meaning. However, if you wanted to argue that award shows are inherently political, I'd probably agree.
- kokanator 5y ago
  Very well stated. The art should stand by itself for what it is intended and if it, as it should, provides some commentary or some testing of ideas, that is what art has always done and is expected. My argument is specifically regarding the award show and how it has simply turned into a political vehicle for many often with little or no mention of the art by the individual/group which is being awarded.
  - specialist 5y ago
    > ...that is what art has always done and is expected. I'm now very interested to see your works of art. Links?
    - kokanator 5y ago
      @specialist Are you an artist? Do you have links to your art?
- specialist 5y ago
  Examples would bolster your argument.

klyrs 5y ago

My not so humble opinion, awards shows have always been unwatchable rubbish about people I don't care about. Worse, I've listened to authors, actors, and artists talking about their art... god damn I have never been so bored. John Cleese is funny, right? Monty Python is funny, right? John Cleese talking about the making of Monty Python is the most boring, un-funny shit I've ever seen. Why do people watch this drek? No idea. Maybe if it's too politicized for people who are easily offended, its ratings will tank and it will drop off the air, and nothing of value is lost. Just like sports

kokanator 5y ago
Please don't take from my previous comment that I am offended by their political lectures. I just find it tiring and hypocritical. There was a time I was interested in watching these shows to see the individuals who experience breakout success and are very thankful for those who made it possible. This just does not seem to be the case in the present era.
- klyrs 5y ago
  As you can probably guess, I didn't watch it myself, but multiple news feeds have informed me of a quirky acceptance speech where an actor thanked this parents for having sex... I guess that doesn't do it for you?