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The authors of -243 use the JSON schema as an input to OpenAPI tools to build webservices. The Application Protocol model with definitions of what things mean i
by rjsw 6y ago
The authors of -243 use the JSON schema as an input to OpenAPI tools to build webservices. The Application Protocol model with definitions of what things mean is in SysML, this will also be included in the package for the standard.
A new XML exchange format for models defined in SysML is being defined in ISO 10303-15.
- Rochus 6y agoJust had a look at the new ISO 10303-1:2021 (second edition, replacing the frist edition from 1994) which appeared in March. EXPRESS is still the primary description language and will obviously remain with us for a long time to come. Section 6.3.3 explicates "EXPRESS models provide the basis for all specifications of product information in ISO 10303". SysML is not even mentioned (in contrast to e.g. UML). Section 6.3.6 states "ISO/TS 10303-25 does not map all EXPRESS constructs to the UML meta-model, because that meta-model does not support all the corresponding EXPRESS concepts. The specified mapping is a one-way mapping from EXPRESS into the UML Interchange Meta-model". There is no reason to assume that SysML is more expressive than UML in this regard. ISO 10303-11 was last time confirmed in December 2019. ISO 10303-15 is apparently a technical specification on how to transform SysML XMI to XML Schema (XSD) format.
- rjsw 6y agoA decision was made to have ISO 10303-1e2 just reflect what has been published to date, then start work immediately on ISO 10303-1e3 that will also contain the description of how SysML will be used. The main use case of ISO 10303-15 is to be able to validate XML exchange files in the new format.
- Rochus 6y agoI expect it will take many years until the mentioned technical specifications become regular standards. I would be very surprised to see a third edition of ISO 10303-1 within the next eight to ten years. From what I've seen up to now is that SysML might get a similar position as UML in the todays version. Even if there is a feasible mapping from SysML XMI to EXPRESS, the official description language will still be EXPRESS in future editions of the ISO 10303 series. Fads come and go; we saw this with UML, and we will see this with SysML; SysML is simply not suited to replace EXPRESS, even less than UML. I bet that in seven years at the latest, SysML will be eclipsed by a new fad.
- rjsw 6y agoWell, prepare to be surprised.
- Rochus 6y agoIf I were actually surprised, ISO/TC 184/SC 4 would have done an extremely poor job in terms of reporting and public relations. But let's continue this discussion in five years, then we'll know more.
- rjsw 6y agoThere has already been one successful ballot on ISO 10303-4000, you won't have to wait five years. I don't really see that there was a need for public relations, we are trying to maintain backwards compatibility with existing software and models.
- Rochus 6y ago> I don't really see that there was a need for public relations, we are trying to maintain backwards compatibility with existing software and models. Sounds like a statement from a state monopoly with a five-year plan. Joking aside: You have just experienced a use case for this yourself. There is nothing at all on the web about what you claim. So I as a developer and user of the standards have no information whatsoever about what is bubbling up in the "black box ISO", if EXPRESS is really to be replaced by SysML (which I still do not believe). There is no mention of this in the presentations, strategies, and architectures I have access to. Who is "we"? What's your role in ISO?
- rjsw 6y ago> Who is "we"? TC184/SC4/{WG11,WG12} - a mix of people who have been developing STEP since the start and some new blood. I'm one of the older ones, I wrote ISO 10303-45 and maintain an EXPRESS compiler used in the document production process.