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How so? Please be as specific as you can. I know both cis [0] and trans women who have beards, and while it's definitely nonconforming to Western standards, it

How so? Please be as specific as you can. I know both cis [0] and trans women who have beards, and while it's definitely nonconforming to Western standards, it is merely part of the incredible diversity and variation in human biology. [0] Yes, cis women with beards exist. Many cis women feel dysphoric about any facial hair they may have, of course, but (just like with trans people) exceptions exist and not everyone is dysphoric about their endogenous sex characteristics.

Exuma 6y ago
Because literally not _every single group on earth_ needs to be represented. It's an emoji pack... I don't need it for it to be exponentially more difficult to find ones I'm looking for because now we need every single permutation of race x facial hair x gender x skin color x marriage pair x favorite cereal.
- howinteresting 6y ago
  I think a simple search box is a much better solution than restricting emoji? Where we disagree is that I do think we should aspire towards every single kind of human diversity on earth being represented in emoji.
  - Exuma 6y ago
    Ok well then we are missing a metric shit ton of emojis related to me, and now I am HYPER offended that they're not included. For one, I'm tall. I see now emoji which emphasizes my tallness. I lie awake each night in excruciating agony at being under represented. I also have a large amount of cowlicks that make my hair unlike any haircut currently available in emojis, as I need to cut my hair a weird way. I find this egregious that no one has ever thought to include it and now I feel grossly under represented. I would go so far as to call it inhumane. Furthermore, they have no 5-oclock shadow emoji. As a programmer, other 5-oclock shadow humans will understand my SEARING discomfort that this group has not been properly represented. Thankfully I can grow a beard, but I suspect people who can only grow half-beards are also EXTREMELY offended at this fact that there are no "patchy beard" emojis. Apple better get to work...
    - mcphage 6y ago
      > and now I am HYPER offended that they're not included Are you actually offended? Or are you just claiming to be offended in order to get your way, while simultaneously complaining that other people claim to be offended to get their way?
      - da_big_ghey 6y ago
        he is making point that such request are silly, like other thing such as beard lady. maybe some chick is wearing a lot of make up, but we are not needing to make "make up" emoji for to represent.
        dagmx 6y ago
        Why does it affect you? Literally this has zero negative impact on you other than you being incensed over it.
      - Exuma 6y ago
        If you can't detect that this is sarcasm you might need to get your radar defragmented
        mcphage 6y ago
        Of course it’s sarcasm. Why do you think that’s an excuse?
    - howinteresting 6y ago
      This is Hacker News. Are you looking for https://home.unicode.org/now-accepting-unicode-emoji-proposals-%f0%9f%8e%89/ https://home.unicode.org/now-accepting-unicode-emoji-proposa... instead?
    - jodrellblank 6y ago
      There actually are people who actually are underrepresented in things. They aren't lying awake in excruciating agony, they're just being unfairly treated as inferiors. Even mocking this as if it's about "being EXTREMELY OFFENDED" is in poor (clueless) taste. People don't deserve equal treatment because they are offended, people deserve equal treatment because of a fundamental presumption that people are created equal. In the context, "Apple added emojis that benefit other people and not me, so now I'm ranting on the internet about it" is meta-poor-taste, the idea that someone else doing something that benefits someone who isn't you is bad.
- dagmx 6y ago
  The iOS keyboard shows your recently used emojis and has a search bar. So it's easy to find what you want. Additionally many of the gender and skin tone ones are behind a selector so don't eat into the number of emojis on screen. The point of emoji is to represent real world culture and communication. I don't use a ton of the Emojis. I'm not complaining because exists.
  - da_big_ghey 6y ago
    we had a better idea when all emoji were existing as yellows only. we are having no need for to reference skin color in small pictogram. is seeming very like american thing, pushing race obsession on rest of this earth.
    - quenix 6y ago
      I’m not American—never lived there—and have no issue with skin color in emojis. Perhaps this isn’t as big of a deal as you make it out to be.
    - dagmx 6y ago
      The yellow emoji remain. Skin tones are an option. They literally do not affect you if you do not want to use them, but provide people who do want to use them or have representation, the ability to do so.
- jodrellblank 6y ago
  You're wealthy, tall, young, male, English-speaking programmer who posts about how they are "constantly called the smartest person people know", whining that other people being represented by emojis is inconvenient to you so it shouldn't be allowed. That should cause some embarassment and self-reflection.
  - Exuma 6y ago
    Lol @ your attempt to shame me. It doesn't work because I regret nothing, and apologize for nothing. It's not illegal to seek feedback about self from others. It's not illegal to be tall, young, male, english speaking. And most of all, it's not illegal to think a woman with a beard emoji is ridiculous.
    - halostatue 6y ago
      Certainly not illegal to think that, but nothing stops people from thinking that your privilege, ignorance, and biases are showing.
    - howinteresting 6y ago
      It's not illegal to think it's ridiculous, but it's also not illegal to think you're ridiculous.
    - jodrellblank 6y ago
      "I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express." - XKCD 1357 alt text. > "it's not illegal to think a woman with a beard emoji is ridiculous." Did you put any thought about anyone other than yourself before deciding this? What thought did you put in before deciding it's ridiculous? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwTt8ov6LGs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwTt8ov6LGs - 3 women with facial hair talk to Marie Claire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVcHhcIdCSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVcHhcIdCSs - Bearded Sikh woman "bullied to the point of suicide" talks to This Morning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fIZSKBjXg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fIZSKBjXg - Life of a Bearded Girl, interview / discussion with Dr Parameshwar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFpE6moREGY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFpE6moREGY - Bearded Lady interviewed with This Morning. Appears that it's caused by Poly-Cystic Ovary Syndrome/Disease, which is "one of the most common causes of female infertility, affecting 6% to 12% (as many as 5 million) of US women of reproductive age." says the CDC.
- elil17 6y ago
  If you type a word related to the emoji you're looking for then it will be automatically suggested to you. You don't need to scroll through the whole menu.

Exuma 6y ago

Because literally not _every single group on earth_ needs to be represented. It's an emoji pack... I don't need it for it to be exponentially more difficult to find ones I'm looking for because now we need every single permutation of race x facial hair x gender x skin color x marriage pair x favorite cereal.

howinteresting 6y ago
I think a simple search box is a much better solution than restricting emoji? Where we disagree is that I do think we should aspire towards every single kind of human diversity on earth being represented in emoji.
- Exuma 6y ago
  Ok well then we are missing a metric shit ton of emojis related to me, and now I am HYPER offended that they're not included. For one, I'm tall. I see now emoji which emphasizes my tallness. I lie awake each night in excruciating agony at being under represented. I also have a large amount of cowlicks that make my hair unlike any haircut currently available in emojis, as I need to cut my hair a weird way. I find this egregious that no one has ever thought to include it and now I feel grossly under represented. I would go so far as to call it inhumane. Furthermore, they have no 5-oclock shadow emoji. As a programmer, other 5-oclock shadow humans will understand my SEARING discomfort that this group has not been properly represented. Thankfully I can grow a beard, but I suspect people who can only grow half-beards are also EXTREMELY offended at this fact that there are no "patchy beard" emojis. Apple better get to work...
  - mcphage 6y ago
    > and now I am HYPER offended that they're not included Are you actually offended? Or are you just claiming to be offended in order to get your way, while simultaneously complaining that other people claim to be offended to get their way?
    - da_big_ghey 6y ago
      he is making point that such request are silly, like other thing such as beard lady. maybe some chick is wearing a lot of make up, but we are not needing to make "make up" emoji for to represent.
      - dagmx 6y ago
        Why does it affect you? Literally this has zero negative impact on you other than you being incensed over it.
    - Exuma 6y ago
      If you can't detect that this is sarcasm you might need to get your radar defragmented
      - mcphage 6y ago
        Of course it’s sarcasm. Why do you think that’s an excuse?
  - howinteresting 6y ago
    This is Hacker News. Are you looking for https://home.unicode.org/now-accepting-unicode-emoji-proposals-%f0%9f%8e%89/ https://home.unicode.org/now-accepting-unicode-emoji-proposa... instead?
  - jodrellblank 6y ago
    There actually are people who actually are underrepresented in things. They aren't lying awake in excruciating agony, they're just being unfairly treated as inferiors. Even mocking this as if it's about "being EXTREMELY OFFENDED" is in poor (clueless) taste. People don't deserve equal treatment because they are offended, people deserve equal treatment because of a fundamental presumption that people are created equal. In the context, "Apple added emojis that benefit other people and not me, so now I'm ranting on the internet about it" is meta-poor-taste, the idea that someone else doing something that benefits someone who isn't you is bad.
dagmx 6y ago
The iOS keyboard shows your recently used emojis and has a search bar. So it's easy to find what you want. Additionally many of the gender and skin tone ones are behind a selector so don't eat into the number of emojis on screen. The point of emoji is to represent real world culture and communication. I don't use a ton of the Emojis. I'm not complaining because exists.
- da_big_ghey 6y ago
  we had a better idea when all emoji were existing as yellows only. we are having no need for to reference skin color in small pictogram. is seeming very like american thing, pushing race obsession on rest of this earth.
  - quenix 6y ago
    I’m not American—never lived there—and have no issue with skin color in emojis. Perhaps this isn’t as big of a deal as you make it out to be.
  - dagmx 6y ago
    The yellow emoji remain. Skin tones are an option. They literally do not affect you if you do not want to use them, but provide people who do want to use them or have representation, the ability to do so.
jodrellblank 6y ago
You're wealthy, tall, young, male, English-speaking programmer who posts about how they are "constantly called the smartest person people know", whining that other people being represented by emojis is inconvenient to you so it shouldn't be allowed. That should cause some embarassment and self-reflection.
- Exuma 6y ago
  Lol @ your attempt to shame me. It doesn't work because I regret nothing, and apologize for nothing. It's not illegal to seek feedback about self from others. It's not illegal to be tall, young, male, english speaking. And most of all, it's not illegal to think a woman with a beard emoji is ridiculous.
  - halostatue 6y ago
    Certainly not illegal to think that, but nothing stops people from thinking that your privilege, ignorance, and biases are showing.
  - howinteresting 6y ago
    It's not illegal to think it's ridiculous, but it's also not illegal to think you're ridiculous.
  - jodrellblank 6y ago
    "I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express." - XKCD 1357 alt text. > "it's not illegal to think a woman with a beard emoji is ridiculous." Did you put any thought about anyone other than yourself before deciding this? What thought did you put in before deciding it's ridiculous? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwTt8ov6LGs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwTt8ov6LGs - 3 women with facial hair talk to Marie Claire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVcHhcIdCSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVcHhcIdCSs - Bearded Sikh woman "bullied to the point of suicide" talks to This Morning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fIZSKBjXg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fIZSKBjXg - Life of a Bearded Girl, interview / discussion with Dr Parameshwar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFpE6moREGY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFpE6moREGY - Bearded Lady interviewed with This Morning. Appears that it's caused by Poly-Cystic Ovary Syndrome/Disease, which is "one of the most common causes of female infertility, affecting 6% to 12% (as many as 5 million) of US women of reproductive age." says the CDC.
elil17 6y ago
If you type a word related to the emoji you're looking for then it will be automatically suggested to you. You don't need to scroll through the whole menu.