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Why? Some women, especially in certain cultures, do indeed have beards. It takes nothing away from people who won't use that emoji, but it lets them be represen

by dagmx 6y ago

Why? Some women, especially in certain cultures, do indeed have beards. It takes nothing away from people who won't use that emoji, but it lets them be represented while giving others another optional emoji to use.

tasogare 6y ago
In which cultures does women have beards? Without any example it seems something you just pretend exist. Women in general (ie without special medical conditions) don’t grow enough facial hair to produce a beard in a lifetime.
- howinteresting 6y ago
  The boundary between "special medical conditions" and "natural human diversity" is incredibly socially constructed.
- dagmx 6y ago
  Certain Sikh women grow beards as part of their culture. There are quite a few women outside of that who do get beards, for a variety of reasons. Regardless, even if it was hypothetically only people with medical conditions, then why is bad for them to be represented?
  - dash2 6y ago
    I'm not sure it's true that they grow beards as part of their culture. They don't cut their hair as part of their culture (or religion). Then, some women have a lot of facial hair for a variety of biological reasons. If they're very committed Sikhs, then they don't cut it off - but it's not that they are deliberately trying to have more facial hair. At least, that's my reading from about 2 minutes of research....
    - dagmx 6y ago
      I guess I didn't disambiguate between actively growing and passively growing. I meant passive. Most Sikh women will only follow the part about not cutting the hair on the tops of their head, and will remove facial hair. However some, more religious ones, will apply this to all hair, including their beard and keep it growing.
oh_sigh 6y ago
Culture isn't going to lead to women magically sprouting beards. It may make the small percentage of women with facial hair not shave it off, but most women of whatever culture you're talking about(Sikh I presume) aren't going to have a beard because they can't grow one in the first place. Somewhat related, but this thread made me look into it - and it seems a huge oversight that there isn't a "pregnant man" emoji - only pregnant woman. Probably all unicode emojis accepted with a certain gender variant should just include the other major gender variant as well. I can't really think of something that one gender can do that another gender can't do, if you allow that people can change their gender at will. https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-woman/ https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-woman/ https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/ https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/ (404 error)
- dagmx 6y ago
  Culture won't lead to them actively growing beards, but it will lead to them passively allowing it to grow. This applies to men and women equally. Many men struggle to grow a beard or shave it off, so we have beardless male emojis. So men have the option. Women too can physically grow beards, even if it's only a few. There's nothing wrong with giving them the option of a bearded emoji.
- elil17 6y ago
  7% of women naturally grow facial hair. It's not really a "small percentage." https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/why-women-grow-facial-hair/ https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/why-women-grow-facia...
  - oh_sigh 6y ago
    In that "naturally growing" number are women who suffer from PCOS or other hormonal disorders. So the number is smaller than 7% for women that naturally grow hair absent some kind of disorder. And of those that remain, many grow hair but it would not be classifiable as a beard. So I would stand by my statement that this only affects a small percentage of women.
da_big_ghey 6y ago
are you in seriousness? woman with beard are exist only as freak circus sideshow. we are not needing any more than midget emoji. i guess it is maybe good way to quietly point out that some "she" is in actually a "he", so having some use in there?

by dagmx 6y ago

tasogare 6y ago

In which cultures does women have beards? Without any example it seems something you just pretend exist. Women in general (ie without special medical conditions) don’t grow enough facial hair to produce a beard in a lifetime.

howinteresting 6y ago
The boundary between "special medical conditions" and "natural human diversity" is incredibly socially constructed.
dagmx 6y ago
Certain Sikh women grow beards as part of their culture. There are quite a few women outside of that who do get beards, for a variety of reasons. Regardless, even if it was hypothetically only people with medical conditions, then why is bad for them to be represented?
- dash2 6y ago
  I'm not sure it's true that they grow beards as part of their culture. They don't cut their hair as part of their culture (or religion). Then, some women have a lot of facial hair for a variety of biological reasons. If they're very committed Sikhs, then they don't cut it off - but it's not that they are deliberately trying to have more facial hair. At least, that's my reading from about 2 minutes of research....
  - dagmx 6y ago
    I guess I didn't disambiguate between actively growing and passively growing. I meant passive. Most Sikh women will only follow the part about not cutting the hair on the tops of their head, and will remove facial hair. However some, more religious ones, will apply this to all hair, including their beard and keep it growing.

oh_sigh 6y ago

Culture isn't going to lead to women magically sprouting beards. It may make the small percentage of women with facial hair not shave it off, but most women of whatever culture you're talking about(Sikh I presume) aren't going to have a beard because they can't grow one in the first place. Somewhat related, but this thread made me look into it - and it seems a huge oversight that there isn't a "pregnant man" emoji - only pregnant woman. Probably all unicode emojis accepted with a certain gender variant should just include the other major gender variant as well. I can't really think of something that one gender can do that another gender can't do, if you allow that people can change their gender at will. https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-woman/ https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-woman/ https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/ https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/ (404 error)

dagmx 6y ago
Culture won't lead to them actively growing beards, but it will lead to them passively allowing it to grow. This applies to men and women equally. Many men struggle to grow a beard or shave it off, so we have beardless male emojis. So men have the option. Women too can physically grow beards, even if it's only a few. There's nothing wrong with giving them the option of a bearded emoji.
elil17 6y ago
7% of women naturally grow facial hair. It's not really a "small percentage." https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/why-women-grow-facial-hair/ https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/why-women-grow-facia...
- oh_sigh 6y ago
  In that "naturally growing" number are women who suffer from PCOS or other hormonal disorders. So the number is smaller than 7% for women that naturally grow hair absent some kind of disorder. And of those that remain, many grow hair but it would not be classifiable as a beard. So I would stand by my statement that this only affects a small percentage of women.

da_big_ghey 6y ago

are you in seriousness? woman with beard are exist only as freak circus sideshow. we are not needing any more than midget emoji. i guess it is maybe good way to quietly point out that some "she" is in actually a "he", so having some use in there?