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I kinda agree... but to be fair, her business customers are random people from a huge reservoir of untested individuals who will come and go as they please, whi

by kurthr 6y ago

I kinda agree... but to be fair, her business customers are random people from a huge reservoir of untested individuals who will come and go as they please, while the production business is a smaller group of regularly (daily) tested individuals who will be yelled at and possibly delay production, if any of them test positive. I wish that LA/CA/USA had bothered to actually mandate contact tracing, and that "outdoor" dining had been given more priority. LA at the time was suffering a huge wave of infections that literally overwhelmed their hospitals, although most of them were from more densely housed "essential" workers (factories, farm, cleaning). Also, Americans suck at masking... pretty much all them, maybe because culturally they are taught to only care about themselves and not anyone else.

CountDrewku 6y ago
Do you have any documentation that shows these production people were tested regularly? Mandated tracing of individuals gets a big no from me, it opens the door for too much abuse. I dislike that sort of authoritarianism and I think the proof that it would actually be helpful to stopping the spread of COVID is pretty minimal. The type of person that'll be into paying attention to that in the first place is less likely to put themselves in a position of getting infected anyway. Additionally, I'm not sure masking in a place where you're eating/drinking is really useful anyway. Masking was initially only for places indoors where you couldn't separate more than 6ft. Transmission outdoors is extremely rare. I think its less about caring only for themselves and more about distrust in officials to be putting these rules in place for altruistic reasons. Americans in general don't automatically trust their government to do what's best for them and for good reason. "LA at the time was suffering a huge wave of infections that literally overwhelmed their hospitals, although most of them were from more densely housed "essential" workers (factories, farm, cleaning)." I feel like if that's truly the case then Hollywood should have been given an exception no matter what. I understand the overwhelmed hospital argument but aside from that I have the opinion that people should get to make their own decisions on going out and being exposed.
- kurthr 6y ago
  It was all over the news at the time... and when production in LA restarted (it was closed for months) all of them were rapid tested with nasal swabs daily. I think County mandate was 48-72hrs for full PCR, but once you buy the $10k machine you just run it constantly to get results every 4 hours. The cost of having to shut down over a single case is too high not to. Tom Cruise's crazy rant was partly show, but a LOT of people would be out of work, if anyone tested positive. Are the servers or the kitchen staff (essential employees) going to do that? Nope, too expensive for a low margin kitchen. They're the ones really at risk. The outdoor part (in the sun particularly) really reduces risk, while fully enclosed tents greatly raise it. The problem is the "people should get to make their own decisions" to bring it back to their entire extended family. Will they take responsibility for the death of their family or room mates? "No way man... it wasn't me I just had a cold and a headache". Sorry, you're just another likely carrier of a potentially deadly disease. It's not better than sleeping with your unsuspecting wife after going bareback to glory holes on Mission in 1982 when AIDS was killing.
  - CountDrewku 6y ago
    "Are the servers or the kitchen staff (essential employees) going to do that? Nope, too expensive for a low margin kitchen. They're the ones really at risk. The outdoor part (in the sun particularly) really reduces risk, while fully enclosed tents greatly raise it." Ok.. then they can quit. Their business will close anyway if the restrictions stay in place. I think they get to make the decision whether they want to work and not forced out of a job due to questionable "scientific" regulations the government has put into place. Just to expand on some of my points someone posted this article recently. In a perfect society where no one abuses power your ideas seem fine but we know that's not how it works. https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/04/27/google-promised-its-contact-tracing-app-was-completely-private-but-it-wasnt https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/04/27/google-promised-its... This is why American don't trust the government or big corporations. They're increasingly becoming one in the same.
cbozeman 6y ago
> maybe because culturally they are taught to only care about themselves and not anyone else. This is an enormous crock of bullshit. Americans are some of the most generous people in the world, regularly giving more to charity than most of the entire world, and not just in a pure dollar amount, but as a percentage of their income. > https://nonprofitssource.com/online-giving-statistics/#:~:text=Total%20charitable%20giving%20grew%204.1,12%25%20of%20all%20donations https://nonprofitssource.com/online-giving-statistics/#:~:te...). > https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-is-the-most-generous-country-but-americans-say-debt-is-keeping-them-from-giving-more-to-charity-2019-10-18 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-is-the-most-generou... And as you can tell by the headline of the second link, not only are Americans the most generous people in the world, they would give more money away if they could afford to.
- lupire 6y ago
  > 31% of all donations, or $127.37 billion, went to Religious organizations. Much of these contributions can be attributed to people giving to their local place of worship. aka club memberships, and advertising spend to push their preferences on other people.
  - thepasswordis 6y ago
    What do you think those churches do with the money?
    - breakingcups 6y ago
      This sort of thing: https://www.aircraftcompare.com/blog/american-pastors-with-private-jets/ https://www.aircraftcompare.com/blog/american-pastors-with-p...
      - CountDrewku 6y ago
        The reason something like that makes the news is because it's not the norm. The Christian charities and missions going on worldwide far outweigh any other organization and regardless of your opinion it's far more than most people do to help anyone in 3rd world countries.

by kurthr 6y ago

CountDrewku 6y ago

Do you have any documentation that shows these production people were tested regularly? Mandated tracing of individuals gets a big no from me, it opens the door for too much abuse. I dislike that sort of authoritarianism and I think the proof that it would actually be helpful to stopping the spread of COVID is pretty minimal. The type of person that'll be into paying attention to that in the first place is less likely to put themselves in a position of getting infected anyway. Additionally, I'm not sure masking in a place where you're eating/drinking is really useful anyway. Masking was initially only for places indoors where you couldn't separate more than 6ft. Transmission outdoors is extremely rare. I think its less about caring only for themselves and more about distrust in officials to be putting these rules in place for altruistic reasons. Americans in general don't automatically trust their government to do what's best for them and for good reason. "LA at the time was suffering a huge wave of infections that literally overwhelmed their hospitals, although most of them were from more densely housed "essential" workers (factories, farm, cleaning)." I feel like if that's truly the case then Hollywood should have been given an exception no matter what. I understand the overwhelmed hospital argument but aside from that I have the opinion that people should get to make their own decisions on going out and being exposed.

kurthr 6y ago
It was all over the news at the time... and when production in LA restarted (it was closed for months) all of them were rapid tested with nasal swabs daily. I think County mandate was 48-72hrs for full PCR, but once you buy the $10k machine you just run it constantly to get results every 4 hours. The cost of having to shut down over a single case is too high not to. Tom Cruise's crazy rant was partly show, but a LOT of people would be out of work, if anyone tested positive. Are the servers or the kitchen staff (essential employees) going to do that? Nope, too expensive for a low margin kitchen. They're the ones really at risk. The outdoor part (in the sun particularly) really reduces risk, while fully enclosed tents greatly raise it. The problem is the "people should get to make their own decisions" to bring it back to their entire extended family. Will they take responsibility for the death of their family or room mates? "No way man... it wasn't me I just had a cold and a headache". Sorry, you're just another likely carrier of a potentially deadly disease. It's not better than sleeping with your unsuspecting wife after going bareback to glory holes on Mission in 1982 when AIDS was killing.
- CountDrewku 6y ago
  "Are the servers or the kitchen staff (essential employees) going to do that? Nope, too expensive for a low margin kitchen. They're the ones really at risk. The outdoor part (in the sun particularly) really reduces risk, while fully enclosed tents greatly raise it." Ok.. then they can quit. Their business will close anyway if the restrictions stay in place. I think they get to make the decision whether they want to work and not forced out of a job due to questionable "scientific" regulations the government has put into place. Just to expand on some of my points someone posted this article recently. In a perfect society where no one abuses power your ideas seem fine but we know that's not how it works. https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/04/27/google-promised-its-contact-tracing-app-was-completely-private-but-it-wasnt https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/04/27/google-promised-its... This is why American don't trust the government or big corporations. They're increasingly becoming one in the same.

cbozeman 6y ago

> maybe because culturally they are taught to only care about themselves and not anyone else. This is an enormous crock of bullshit. Americans are some of the most generous people in the world, regularly giving more to charity than most of the entire world, and not just in a pure dollar amount, but as a percentage of their income. > https://nonprofitssource.com/online-giving-statistics/#:~:text=Total%20charitable%20giving%20grew%204.1,12%25%20of%20all%20donations https://nonprofitssource.com/online-giving-statistics/#:~:te...). > https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-is-the-most-generous-country-but-americans-say-debt-is-keeping-them-from-giving-more-to-charity-2019-10-18 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-is-the-most-generou... And as you can tell by the headline of the second link, not only are Americans the most generous people in the world, they would give more money away if they could afford to.

lupire 6y ago
> 31% of all donations, or $127.37 billion, went to Religious organizations. Much of these contributions can be attributed to people giving to their local place of worship. aka club memberships, and advertising spend to push their preferences on other people.
- thepasswordis 6y ago
  What do you think those churches do with the money?
  - breakingcups 6y ago
    This sort of thing: https://www.aircraftcompare.com/blog/american-pastors-with-private-jets/ https://www.aircraftcompare.com/blog/american-pastors-with-p...
    - CountDrewku 6y ago
      The reason something like that makes the news is because it's not the norm. The Christian charities and missions going on worldwide far outweigh any other organization and regardless of your opinion it's far more than most people do to help anyone in 3rd world countries.