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Feels a bit of a Rube-Goldberg workaround when TouchID exists. Love my TouchID to the point I'm dreading when Apple makes no more TouchID phones
by smiley1437 5y ago
Feels a bit of a Rube-Goldberg workaround when TouchID exists. Love my TouchID to the point I'm dreading when Apple makes no more TouchID phones
- gambiting 5y agoApple's insistence on only having face ID when competitors have fantastic and very fast in-screen fingerprint readers is just idiotic. I was kind of onboard when they first introduced FaceID, the argument that they don't want the sensor on the back and there is no room on the front was fair enough, but right now the technology has caught up. It's crazy that you can unlock a Samsung with your face OR an in-screen fingerprint reader, but you can't an iPhone.
- 3grdlurker 5y agoOr they could put it on the lock button like they did with one of their iPads.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y agoI have used phones with all types of fingerprint sensor. Below the screen (Moto Z, iPhone 6S), at the back, in the power button (Moto Z3), and built into screen (Moto Z4). Built into the screen is by far superior of all. The worst is at the back, with power button at the side not far from it.
- barbazoo 5y agoI think having it in the back is genius as that's where I always have a finger as opposed to the front. It's so awkward to try to hold the phone in my hand securely AND holding my thumb on the scanner at the same time.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y agoAbout half of the times i unlock my phone is when it is resting on the table. Fingerprint scanner on the back requires picking it up first, which is extremely uncomfortable to do every time. No. Just no.
- barbazoo 5y agoI'm glad we have choice then.
- passivate 5y agoI agree, but for a different reason. Today's phones are stupidly fragile and pretty much everyone puts some sort of case on them. I don't get this obsession from phone makers to make increasingly thinner devices, when a large number of end users just put an ugly case on it. Why not make them rugged to begin with?
- ubercow13 5y agoWould you really rather that rubber/plastic of the case was fused to the phone instead of just separate and replacable?
- passivate 5y agoI'm sure Apple can design a rugged phone if they wanted to. A rugged phone designed with shock/vibration/drop protection in mind is not the same as a fragile phone with a case on top.
- kalleboo 5y agoAll kinds of ruggedization are wear items. Even a bicycle helmet needs to be replaced after it has experienced an impact. They should be easily replaceable, like phone cases are now.
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- barbazoo 5y agoI've always found that unlocking your device with your fingerprint scanner on the front of the device only works nicely if you're holding it with the other hand.
- duhi88 5y agoFor me, the most common scenario in which I'd want TouchID is when I have my phone resting flat on my desk. Depending on which phone case you may or may not have on your phone, the power button might be conveniently accessible. I'd prefer a version that didn't require me to lift my phone up off the desk in order to unlock it.
- jdhawk 5y agoThe S10's in screen reader drove me away from the platform and back to an SE2 w/ TouchID....it was that unreliable. Have they fixed it?
- gambiting 5y agoGot an S21 and the sensor works as well as any Apple ever made. But yes, it seems like the technology has matured only very recently, the first in-screen readers were pretty crap.
- fastball 5y agoWow you've tried every Apple ever made?
- gambiting 5y agoI mean, I own the iPhone 12, 2020 iPad Air, and the iPhone SE2, so I'd assume those are state of the art when it comes to both FaceID and TouchID, no? Should be a pretty good comparison? Is there any other apple product you think I should try? I'll be very happy to give it a go.
- mynameisvlad 5y agoNot in the S20, at least. I was about to leave the exact same message but I went to a 12 Pro with Face ID because I couldn't stand Samsung's implementation. If people think that Face ID is inaccurate, then they clearly haven't used under-screen readers. They're slow, unreliable, and imprecise.
- gambiting 5y agoS20 was particularly bad, give S21 a try though if you get the chance - they improved the scanning speed and the scanning area is now 2x the size so it's a lot easier to unlock the phone.
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- joshstrange 5y ago> Apple's insistence on only having face ID For now. I'd wager in the next year or two we will see TouchID in the power button or under the screen. Are there Android phones with this tech already? Yes, you can almost always count on Android phones to have new types of tech before Apple but in my experience Apple's version is much more polished/solid/secure as whole. Android had "Face unlock" for at least a year or two before Apple but it was total crap. I had a coworker who had it and he ended up turning it off because it was so buggy/unreliable. FaceID for me had been pretty rock solid and I'm very happy with it. I'll be happier with a TouchID backup but I'm more than willing to wait for a secure and seamless version and not something rushed to market.
- fastball 5y ago> you can almost always count on Android phones to have new types of tech before Apple but in my experience Not really true in the case of TouchID though. Sure other things had fingerprint scanners before iPhone but they sucked hard.
- gambiting 5y agoI don't think OP says they were better, just that they existed on Android phones before apple had them.
- joshstrange 5y agoCorrect. My wording could have been better probably. I would never put Android phone's face unlock in the same category as FaceID (nor their fingerprint vs TouchID). It's been a while since I've seen tech on an Android phone that Apple later implemented where the Apple's was just equivalent to the existing Android version, it's always a bigger stop forward.
- user-the-name 5y agoThis is because Apple will not add a feature just to tick a box or add a bullet point to a feature list, they will only add it if they can actually make it work well.
- Lammy 5y agoI wonder if it was really on Apple’s insistence lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_d...
- tinus_hn 5y agoThese competitors aren’t held to the same standards Apple is. If it turns out you can unlock these phones with a printed fingerprint copy, nobody cares. But if it happens on iPhone it’s fingerprintgate.
- adrr 5y agoFace unlock for Samsung phones provides no security unlike FaceId. So really Samsung just has a fingerprint scanner. https://www.samsung.com/ph/support/mobile-devices/can-you-unlock-face-recognition-with-a-picture/ https://www.samsung.com/ph/support/mobile-devices/can-you-un...
- gambiting 5y agoOn my S21 you can tick a "fast unlock" option for face unlock which comes with a warning that it can be fooled by a picture then. So I'm assuming that by default it can't?
- SilverRed 5y agoFrom samsungs site "This will improve the recognition speed but also reduces security, increasing the possibility of a video or image being incorrectly recognized as your face." So I assume both can be tricked but one is a little better.
- bobbyi_settv 5y agoThe fact that it can be unlocked with a picture doesn't mean it has no security. The main use case for phone locking is that you leave your phone in a cab, a bar or wherever else in public and someone picks it up later. That person isn't going to know who you are and have a picture of you. They're still prevented from being able to take the phone they just saw laying around and go through your emails, etc.
- milkytron 5y ago> the argument that they don't want the sensor on the back and there is no room on the front was fair enough No room on the front - fine, but under the screen readers have been improving a ton and I'm sure Apple could figure out something. Don't want the sensor on the back - I don't understand this. Why not? It works for other devices, and they could even make the Apple logo into a reader to be discreet.
- mikestew 5y agoIt's crazy that you can unlock a Samsung with your face OR an in-screen fingerprint reader, but you can't an iPhone. I don't think it's crazy when one considers that Samsung will put that stuff on a phone, and whether it works or not is the customer's problem. We've forgotten Samsung's earlier "face unlock" attempts, haven't we? I haven't, it was bad enough to be one of the major factors in getting me to quit using Samsung phones (and Android in general). So to argue "well, Samsung does it", meh, maybe Samsung does, maybe Samsung lets the person that stole my phone unlock that phone with my photo.
- gambiting 5y agoWhat's your point? Obviously just because Samsung's implementation used to be shitty doesn't mean apple's would be, hopefully that's not what you are suggesting?
- mikestew 5y agoPoint is, saying "Samsung has that feature" is like saying "Tesla has L5 self-driving next month". Just because a company says something doesn't make it true, and other companies are not required to try and compete with snake oil. Apple's ability to execute has little to do with it.
- gambiting 5y agoBut....Tesla doesn't have L5 self driving. It's bogus. It doesn't exist. Samsung has an in-screen fingerprint reader. It works. The technology clearly exists and works. Whether Samsung fucked up in the past or not is irrelevant - the fact I was pointing to was that the technology to make in-screen fingerprint readers clearly exists, as an Apple customer I'd expect them to integrate it with their usual level of polish. Do it 4x as good as Samsung. Because at the end of the day it's not about Samsung - it's about why Apple hasn't decided to introduce this feature yet despite the pandemic painfully showing that having just FaceID is not good enough. This is not a rant to say Samsung it great and apple isn't - just purely saying that once again we're in a position we've seen hundreds of times before - other manufacturers have some fancy new features that Apple hasn't integrated yet. As their customer I wish they'd hurry up.
- dannyphantom 5y agoWith the frustration of the past year in iPhone not unlocking due to your face mask it seems like a proof of concept that iPhone should bring back TouchID.
- mxcrossb 5y agoWeirdly enough, facial recognition works for me with a mask already, but only if I take off my glasses.
- fastball 5y agoI feel like mine did too towards the beginning of the pandemic, but not anymore.
- kalleboo 5y agoPartway into the pandemic Apple added mask detection, so if it sees a mask it will fail instantly and not even attempt face recognition (so people could enter their passcodes right away without having to wait for face recognition to fail).
- WorldMaker 5y agoThey also supposedly added the mask recognition "cut-off" because the ML was mistakenly learning people's masks and you could impersonate some people by wearing the same mask as they regularly wore. Another case where statistic models were likely to learn the wrong things.
- gbrown_ 5y agoLack of TouchID on newer models is one of the main reasons I've yet to upgrade from my iPhone 8.
- hkh28 5y agoStayed with my iPhone 7 until iPhone 12 for the same (main) reason. Being able to have the phone unlocked on the way from my pocket was fantastic. Unlocking with Face ID takes at least two seconds extra, every time.
- scintill76 5y agoThe iPhone SE (2020) has it.