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What if it's not phrased as discipline? What if they said "This speech is an example of your character and we'd rather not have you on our squad." The assumpt

What if it's not phrased as discipline? What if they said "This speech is an example of your character and we'd rather not have you on our squad." The assumption is (as someone pointed out up thread) that there's no right to be on the squad; that you can (as the joke goes) be fired or not hired at anytime for no reason but not any reason.

anaerobicover 6y ago
I would reply that the adults in that case should demonstrate their own character by recognizing that teenagers are humans with emotions¹ who get frustrated and make mistakes. And that a mistake that doesn't really harm anyone (an F said in conversation with a friend) merits a discussion in the worst, not a dismissal dropped like a bomb. --- ¹Maybe even more so than the adults.
- anaerobicover 6y ago
  Although to be exact I would not even call this any "mistake". It is simply human. But I do understand that others might consider it to be so.
- taylodl 6y ago
  Having worked in several youth organizations and youth sports for the past 30 years, I bet what actually happened is this kid has been "problematic", the adults have been trying to do right by the kid, and this was the final straw. I've seen that happen. The act resulting in a kid getting dismissed from an activity in and of itself isn't egregious when considered in isolation. It's all the other stuff going on preceding that act that caused the response. Obviously I don't know the details of this particular case, but it wouldn't surprise if that is what happened here. It's typically the way such things go.
  - not2b 6y ago
    Sorry, not buying it. If the kid had a pattern of problematic behavior they could have said that she was being dismissed for behavior that took place at team practices or events. But they didn't. They are saying that it was for the Snapchat rant. If they had something else, they could have avoided the court fight.
  - dls2016 6y ago
    I would place more money on her being of lower socio-economic class than her peers. These "zero-tolerance" policies are rarely applied equally across class.
  - vorpalhex 6y ago
    This is why the phrase "problematic" is useless and should be removed from the human vocabulary. Are you suggesting the teenager was difficult to deal with - or actively breaking rules? Was she being a bully or just not fitting in well? You can't just label someone "problematic" and get rid of them for a minor infraction without having to support that label with something meaningful - otherwise the behavior is arbitrary.

anaerobicover 6y ago

I would reply that the adults in that case should demonstrate their own character by recognizing that teenagers are humans with emotions¹ who get frustrated and make mistakes. And that a mistake that doesn't really harm anyone (an F said in conversation with a friend) merits a discussion in the worst, not a dismissal dropped like a bomb. --- ¹Maybe even more so than the adults.

anaerobicover 6y ago
Although to be exact I would not even call this any "mistake". It is simply human. But I do understand that others might consider it to be so.
taylodl 6y ago
Having worked in several youth organizations and youth sports for the past 30 years, I bet what actually happened is this kid has been "problematic", the adults have been trying to do right by the kid, and this was the final straw. I've seen that happen. The act resulting in a kid getting dismissed from an activity in and of itself isn't egregious when considered in isolation. It's all the other stuff going on preceding that act that caused the response. Obviously I don't know the details of this particular case, but it wouldn't surprise if that is what happened here. It's typically the way such things go.
- not2b 6y ago
  Sorry, not buying it. If the kid had a pattern of problematic behavior they could have said that she was being dismissed for behavior that took place at team practices or events. But they didn't. They are saying that it was for the Snapchat rant. If they had something else, they could have avoided the court fight.
- dls2016 6y ago
  I would place more money on her being of lower socio-economic class than her peers. These "zero-tolerance" policies are rarely applied equally across class.
- vorpalhex 6y ago
  This is why the phrase "problematic" is useless and should be removed from the human vocabulary. Are you suggesting the teenager was difficult to deal with - or actively breaking rules? Was she being a bully or just not fitting in well? You can't just label someone "problematic" and get rid of them for a minor infraction without having to support that label with something meaningful - otherwise the behavior is arbitrary.