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The first article that you linked was a news article and said "Near capacity" not "Over capacity" and the second link you posted didn't have ICU numbers that I

The first article that you linked was a news article and said "Near capacity" not "Over capacity" and the second link you posted didn't have ICU numbers that I could see. ICU's run "near capacity" all the time, so the news source you linked is simply stating a normal situation in a sensational context. See here: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/2-healthcare-leaders-talk-icu-capacity-5-sound-bites.html#:~:text=For%20most%20level%201%20trauma,presented%20unique%20challenges%20for%20hospitals https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/2-healthc.... What I mean by Covid zealot is people who believe things that aren't real about Covid based on poor critical thinking and/or poor understanding of the data or some other reason that I don't understand.

sofixa 6y ago
The second link includes ICU numbers in the "rea" ( for reanimation, the French term for ICU). Pre-pandemic capacity is readily available online. ICUs in France had their capacity doubled over last summer, and since the beginning of the year everything elective has been postponed to make place for Covid patients. > What I mean by Covid zealot is people who believe things that aren't real about Covid based on poor critical thinking and/or poor understanding of the data or some other reason that I don't understand So denialists that still fail to grasp the gravity of the situation, like yourself?
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  Unless, I'm missing something about that link you posted, it's just simply showing REA numbers increasing and not the total capacity of ICU. Patient numbers are still NOT ICU capacity. Numbers can go up and still not be at capacity. If I'm indeed not missing something that is either poor reasoning or a disengenuous citation. If you get all of your information from the news media there's 'gravity to the situation' but if you look at statistics... Covid is mostly over in the states and either over or on the downswing around the world, with the exception of a few third world countries. You should look at statistics and not the news media. In the U.S., States are at record lows of new infections and almost every state has lifted most of it's restrictions and we're not even at 40% vaccination rate. Even New Zealand has opened it's borders to Austrailia and their vaccination rate is in the mid teens. Covid's fatality rate in the states was around 0.00125 and I'm assuming other places as well. Trying to understand the gravity of the situation that you claim exists. It's like The 3 billion people who believe in God. Despite all evidence to the contrary the zealots will cling to their narrative.
  - EdwardCoffin 6y ago
    > Covid's fatality rate in the states was around 0.00125 and I'm assuming other places as well. Totally wrong. Johns Hopkins says the case fatality rate in the states is 1.8% [1]. Many others are worse, like Canada at 2.0% and 2.9% for the United Kingdom. [1] https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago
      500,000 dead / 400 million people. You can do the math. Hell only 33 million in the states tested positive for contracting Corona. 33 million / 400 million Which is infection rate of .0825 Even if you double it to account for non tested cases that .16% JUST CASES. Even if you double that you're not even at 1% yet. The experts err to the EXTREME side of safety. These are the same experts that say only eat steak if it's well done and not to drink more than 2/3 cup of wine in an evening.
      - EdwardCoffin 6y ago
        The divisor for case fatality is number of infections, not total population. You can look up the definition. so 572,674 / 32,124,869 = 1.8% As I already said, and as you can look up yourself, in the link I gave.
        nickthemagicman 6y ago
        No that's the chance of death if you're already infected. The fatality chance for a healthy person in the general population is the measure of risk for the average person. Using the same measure of population that the R value uses to calculate infectiousness. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number Have you been using 1.8% chance of death as your chance of dying? I would be scared too. For a healthy person to become infected is a very small number to begin with and highly biased towards the elderly or people with co morbidities. You can legitimately lighten up. Your risk from this is infinitesimally small if you're under 55 and healthy. If not it's still unbelievably small.

sofixa 6y ago

The second link includes ICU numbers in the "rea" ( for reanimation, the French term for ICU). Pre-pandemic capacity is readily available online. ICUs in France had their capacity doubled over last summer, and since the beginning of the year everything elective has been postponed to make place for Covid patients. > What I mean by Covid zealot is people who believe things that aren't real about Covid based on poor critical thinking and/or poor understanding of the data or some other reason that I don't understand So denialists that still fail to grasp the gravity of the situation, like yourself?

nickthemagicman 6y ago
Unless, I'm missing something about that link you posted, it's just simply showing REA numbers increasing and not the total capacity of ICU. Patient numbers are still NOT ICU capacity. Numbers can go up and still not be at capacity. If I'm indeed not missing something that is either poor reasoning or a disengenuous citation. If you get all of your information from the news media there's 'gravity to the situation' but if you look at statistics... Covid is mostly over in the states and either over or on the downswing around the world, with the exception of a few third world countries. You should look at statistics and not the news media. In the U.S., States are at record lows of new infections and almost every state has lifted most of it's restrictions and we're not even at 40% vaccination rate. Even New Zealand has opened it's borders to Austrailia and their vaccination rate is in the mid teens. Covid's fatality rate in the states was around 0.00125 and I'm assuming other places as well. Trying to understand the gravity of the situation that you claim exists. It's like The 3 billion people who believe in God. Despite all evidence to the contrary the zealots will cling to their narrative.
- EdwardCoffin 6y ago
  > Covid's fatality rate in the states was around 0.00125 and I'm assuming other places as well. Totally wrong. Johns Hopkins says the case fatality rate in the states is 1.8% [1]. Many others are worse, like Canada at 2.0% and 2.9% for the United Kingdom. [1] https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    500,000 dead / 400 million people. You can do the math. Hell only 33 million in the states tested positive for contracting Corona. 33 million / 400 million Which is infection rate of .0825 Even if you double it to account for non tested cases that .16% JUST CASES. Even if you double that you're not even at 1% yet. The experts err to the EXTREME side of safety. These are the same experts that say only eat steak if it's well done and not to drink more than 2/3 cup of wine in an evening.
    - EdwardCoffin 6y ago
      The divisor for case fatality is number of infections, not total population. You can look up the definition. so 572,674 / 32,124,869 = 1.8% As I already said, and as you can look up yourself, in the link I gave.
      - nickthemagicman 6y ago
        No that's the chance of death if you're already infected. The fatality chance for a healthy person in the general population is the measure of risk for the average person. Using the same measure of population that the R value uses to calculate infectiousness. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number Have you been using 1.8% chance of death as your chance of dying? I would be scared too. For a healthy person to become infected is a very small number to begin with and highly biased towards the elderly or people with co morbidities. You can legitimately lighten up. Your risk from this is infinitesimally small if you're under 55 and healthy. If not it's still unbelievably small.