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>Why do you think domestic investment is so economically useless GP never implied that it was "useless" at all. Your question (to use some more Latin) is a tot

by nanny 5y ago

>Why do you think domestic investment is so economically useless GP never implied that it was "useless" at all. Your question (to use some more Latin) is a total non-sequitur. >there would be a twin top comment lamenting Apple's lack of domestic spending. Yes, different people have different opinions.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> GP never implied that it was "useless" at all The announcement uses the word investment 17 times. Reading that as a charity pitch requires a few logical leaps. Companies announce foreign direct investment all the time. Nobody thinks they're trying to look like a charity.
- anon_tor_12345 5y ago
  the subtitle of the article is >The accelerated commitment will fund a new North Carolina campus and *job-creating investments* in innovative fields like silicon engineering and 5G technology other pull quotes from the article >Apple is doubling down on our commitment to US innovation and manufacturing with a generational investment reaching *communities across all 50 states* >Apple is the largest taxpayer in the US and has paid almost $45 billion in domestic corporate income taxes over the past five years alone. > designed to prepare students for careers in hardware engineering and silicon chip design — to engineering programs at *Historically Black Colleges and Universities* across the country. >bringing *clean energy and high-paying jobs to local communities across the country*.
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    If you're a regular at a restaurant, and you point out to you friends that you've supported said restaurant, you are not claiming a charitable act. You are pointing out the consequences of your actions. If someone wants to see that as charity, it speaks more to them than anything else. (And claiming your patronage was an act of charity would be rightfully seen as a diminishment of said business.)
    - anon_tor_12345 5y ago
      i have no idea what you're saying but you're bending over backwards to contrive some sort of hypothetical that's completely ignorant of corporate PR in general and apple's PR (with its "we're removing cables for the environment") in particular. >If someone wants to see that as charity, it speaks more to them than anything else. what does it say about you that you're so intent on absolving a corporate entity of its own disingenuity? like do you work for apple?
  - ABeeSea 5y ago
    None of that sounds like charity or even framed as charity. They need workers to work at these factories they are building. US workers don’t have those skills. So they need a training center for their business investment to work out.
    - anon_tor_12345 5y ago
      man you people are coming out of the woodwork to simp for apple; if what you're saying were true then the language wouldn't be so topical and timely (eg alluding to hbcus).
      - dang 5y ago
        Please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments to HN. You've been doing both of those things repeatedly lately, and we ban that sort of account. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.
        anon_tor_12345 5y ago
        >and we ban that sort of account ... >anon_tor_12345 lol
        dang 5y ago
        We don't much care what your account is called, but we do care what it posts. Please stick to the rules if you want to keep participating here.
      - ABeeSea 5y ago
        Comments like this are evidence that HN is turning into Reddit.
        dang 5y ago
        Please stick to the guidelines, including the last one. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - jrwoodruff 5y ago
    Not an article, a press release from Apple. Of course their PR team is going to spin it as positive as possible, that's their job. Used to be, reporters would pick this up and do their best to take the spin off, do a few interviews and provide additional context.
- skeeter2020 5y ago
  This is the exact same approach governments use when trying to go the other way: politically motivated hand-outs framed as "investments". It's a meaningless word in a PR statement.
- nanny 5y ago
  >The announcement uses the word investment 17 times. Reading that as a charity pitch requires a few logical leaps. Again, a non-sequitur. Even if they read "investment" as "tea party" 17 times, they still never said or implied that it was useless. The Apple article is obviously trying to paint the investments as acts of goodwill. Not many people would expect anything else, it's just good PR. "Charity" might be an exaggeration, but can't you see why it could rub people the wrong way?

by nanny 5y ago

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> GP never implied that it was "useless" at all The announcement uses the word investment 17 times. Reading that as a charity pitch requires a few logical leaps. Companies announce foreign direct investment all the time. Nobody thinks they're trying to look like a charity.

anon_tor_12345 5y ago
the subtitle of the article is >The accelerated commitment will fund a new North Carolina campus and *job-creating investments* in innovative fields like silicon engineering and 5G technology other pull quotes from the article >Apple is doubling down on our commitment to US innovation and manufacturing with a generational investment reaching *communities across all 50 states* >Apple is the largest taxpayer in the US and has paid almost $45 billion in domestic corporate income taxes over the past five years alone. > designed to prepare students for careers in hardware engineering and silicon chip design — to engineering programs at *Historically Black Colleges and Universities* across the country. >bringing *clean energy and high-paying jobs to local communities across the country*.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  If you're a regular at a restaurant, and you point out to you friends that you've supported said restaurant, you are not claiming a charitable act. You are pointing out the consequences of your actions. If someone wants to see that as charity, it speaks more to them than anything else. (And claiming your patronage was an act of charity would be rightfully seen as a diminishment of said business.)
  - anon_tor_12345 5y ago
    i have no idea what you're saying but you're bending over backwards to contrive some sort of hypothetical that's completely ignorant of corporate PR in general and apple's PR (with its "we're removing cables for the environment") in particular. >If someone wants to see that as charity, it speaks more to them than anything else. what does it say about you that you're so intent on absolving a corporate entity of its own disingenuity? like do you work for apple?
- ABeeSea 5y ago
  None of that sounds like charity or even framed as charity. They need workers to work at these factories they are building. US workers don’t have those skills. So they need a training center for their business investment to work out.
  - anon_tor_12345 5y ago
    man you people are coming out of the woodwork to simp for apple; if what you're saying were true then the language wouldn't be so topical and timely (eg alluding to hbcus).
    - dang 5y ago
      Please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments to HN. You've been doing both of those things repeatedly lately, and we ban that sort of account. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.
      - anon_tor_12345 5y ago
        >and we ban that sort of account ... >anon_tor_12345 lol
        dang 5y ago
        We don't much care what your account is called, but we do care what it posts. Please stick to the rules if you want to keep participating here.
    - ABeeSea 5y ago
      Comments like this are evidence that HN is turning into Reddit.
      - dang 5y ago
        Please stick to the guidelines, including the last one. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- jrwoodruff 5y ago
  Not an article, a press release from Apple. Of course their PR team is going to spin it as positive as possible, that's their job. Used to be, reporters would pick this up and do their best to take the spin off, do a few interviews and provide additional context.
skeeter2020 5y ago
This is the exact same approach governments use when trying to go the other way: politically motivated hand-outs framed as "investments". It's a meaningless word in a PR statement.
nanny 5y ago
>The announcement uses the word investment 17 times. Reading that as a charity pitch requires a few logical leaps. Again, a non-sequitur. Even if they read "investment" as "tea party" 17 times, they still never said or implied that it was useless. The Apple article is obviously trying to paint the investments as acts of goodwill. Not many people would expect anything else, it's just good PR. "Charity" might be an exaggeration, but can't you see why it could rub people the wrong way?