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That doesn’t really explain anything, given there are millions of deaths under capitalism too.

toiletfuneral 5y ago
but but but those don't count because...I've actually never heard the excuse, they always just go silent. Also, can people please stop conflating things like M4A with Stalin for even like 5min?
throwaway3699 5y ago
Big difference.
- heterodoxxed 5y ago
  Not to the bodies in the graves there isn't.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  Tell that to the people who were enslaved and to the people who starved to death.
  - throwaway3699 5y ago
    Slavery is not a function of capitalism, though. Capitalism is being able to 1) firstly, own yourself and your body 2) thus sell your labour however you wish. It's the alternatives economic systems that prevent you from being free.
    - heavyset_go 5y ago
      And yet capitalists imposed slavery upon multiple places around the world, often for decades or centuries.
      - throwaway3699 5y ago
        Putting emotions aside for a second, slavery is very inefficient in a free market. It is not a coincidence free countries are all capitalist (and vice versa).
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        banannaise 5y ago
        That's because the United States invades free countries that aren't capitalist.
        throwaway3699 5y ago
        Oh yeah. The US is guilty as charged, but there's no such thing as a free country that's not capitalist, until we live in a post-scarcity society. Technologically we are many centuries away from that.
        heavyset_go 5y ago
        So are famines, but that didn't stop the market from starving millions of people, either.
        throwaway3699 5y ago
        When did markets cause famine? We are living in an age of wasted food because we have so much cheap crap (as well as high-quality) available. People are too fat because there's no barrier to over-consumption. Whereas a socialist system causes famines due to central planning leads to poor decision making.
        heavyset_go 5y ago
        The causes of the Great Irish famine were those imposed by capitalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)#Causes_and_contributing_factors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)#Causes_... The market decided that the starving people who harvested crops didn't need to eat them, because people would pay more for those crops elsewhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)#Food_exports_during_Famine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)#Food_ex... 10 million people starved in the Bengal famine: https://www.mensxp.com/special-features/today/27992-the-forgotten-famine-how-capitalist-british-killed-10-million-people-in-bengal-for-profits.html https://www.mensxp.com/special-features/today/27992-the-forg...

but but but those don't count because...I've actually never heard the excuse, they always just go silent. Also, can people please stop conflating things like M4A with Stalin for even like 5min?

throwaway3699 5y ago

Big difference.

heterodoxxed 5y ago
Not to the bodies in the graves there isn't.
heavyset_go 5y ago
Tell that to the people who were enslaved and to the people who starved to death.
- throwaway3699 5y ago
  Slavery is not a function of capitalism, though. Capitalism is being able to 1) firstly, own yourself and your body 2) thus sell your labour however you wish. It's the alternatives economic systems that prevent you from being free.
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    And yet capitalists imposed slavery upon multiple places around the world, often for decades or centuries.
    - throwaway3699 5y ago
      Putting emotions aside for a second, slavery is very inefficient in a free market. It is not a coincidence free countries are all capitalist (and vice versa).
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
      - banannaise 5y ago
        That's because the United States invades free countries that aren't capitalist.
        throwaway3699 5y ago
        Oh yeah. The US is guilty as charged, but there's no such thing as a free country that's not capitalist, until we live in a post-scarcity society. Technologically we are many centuries away from that.
      - heavyset_go 5y ago
        So are famines, but that didn't stop the market from starving millions of people, either.
        throwaway3699 5y ago
        When did markets cause famine? We are living in an age of wasted food because we have so much cheap crap (as well as high-quality) available. People are too fat because there's no barrier to over-consumption. Whereas a socialist system causes famines due to central planning leads to poor decision making.
        heavyset_go 5y ago
        The causes of the Great Irish famine were those imposed by capitalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)#Causes_and_contributing_factors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)#Causes_... The market decided that the starving people who harvested crops didn't need to eat them, because people would pay more for those crops elsewhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)#Food_exports_during_Famine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)#Food_ex... 10 million people starved in the Bengal famine: https://www.mensxp.com/special-features/today/27992-the-forgotten-famine-how-capitalist-british-killed-10-million-people-in-bengal-for-profits.html https://www.mensxp.com/special-features/today/27992-the-forg...