I think the problem is that people going the standardization route were trying to build abstractions. Unfortunately most abstractions built in forth tended to

I think the problem is that people going the standardization route were trying to build abstractions. Unfortunately most abstractions built in forth tended to feel rather cumbersome and ineffective to me. What Chuck Moore mostly did was focus on simplifying the problem such that he can avoid as much abstraction as possible. Which isn't a very accessible way of development perhaps. I'm not sure if there's a good middle ground between these two approaches..