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Neo4j vs. Graph Found (ONgDB) (2020)
- throwastrike 5y agoIs Neo4j still the leading open source graph DB in the market? Haven’t paid attention past few years.
- the_duke 5y agoThis is from 2020, any updates on the development here?
- phlyingpenguin 5y agoLooks like they couldn't make it happen. https://www.graphfoundation.org/blog/graph-foundation-resolution-for-future-ongdb-development/ https://www.graphfoundation.org/blog/graph-foundation-resolu...
- WatchDog 5y agoLayman's explanation?
- JulianMorrison 5y agoIANAL and this is just my reading, but it sounds like Neo4j the company gave their enterprise database product away on an open source licence that allows forking, stopped doing this, got forked, and are now trying to pull that ability to fork back using trademark law of the sort you'd more normally see when a supermarket makes its own brand products look suspiciously similar to the branded product they're trying to rip off.
- madeofpalk 5y agosupermarket home brands don't often say "This is exactly Cap'n Crunch"
- Pet_Ant 5y agoI remember seeing a brand of Sport drink in a grocery store (PowerRade maybe?) but it was clearly in Gatorade bottles as the logo was embossed in the plastic. (I assume they were being bottled in the same plant) Don't bathrooms have vending machines that say "Compare with Boss by Hugo".
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- zcw100 5y agoThere's nothing wrong with what Neo4J is doing here and they aren't fighting the GPL/AGPL. ONgDB forked it, with was fine, but they just couldn't resist trying to give the finger to Neo4J when they did it. In doing that they used Neo4J trademarks and made false or misleading statements and shouldn't be surprised that Neo4J would take issue with that. They're required to enforce their trademarks. They should have just forked it, changed the names which it looks like that's what they're doing going forward.
- busterarm 5y agoNeo4j is so hostile to their open source "Community Edition" that I understand the sentiment that led to this. It's severely crippled, practically untunable and unmonitorable. You basically can't run it in a production context unless you're willing to take huge risks that it can shit the bed on you at any time and you're willing to rebuild from scratch. I'm in a position where I have to do this and I'd like to flip Neo4j the finger every single day.
- JulianMorrison 5y agoCan you switch to the fork?
- busterarm 5y agoNo. That fork is significantly behind the current codebase and wouldn't work with the client driver we're currently using.
- mark_l_watson 5y agoSorry it is falling down for you. I find that Neo4J community edition is perfectly functional - as long as you don't need to scale to multiple servers, then you have to pay. re: untenable: can you give us some more details? JVM tuning? Neo4J specific? TBO, I use RDF datastores about 10x my use of Neo4J, but I appreciate their free edition. Another vendor who handles free vs. commercial well (in my opinion) is GraphDB, where the free edition is scalable to the largest single server you want to run it on, but only allows 2 simultaneous connections. Some un-solicited advice: if you really need to scale a large graph database, look at BlazeGraph that supports both property graphs and RDF. It is fast, injests data very quickly, and just a few servers run all of WikiData. That codebase became Amazon Neptune, BTW.
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