In my opinion, both of you are right. The issue with the standard is not if it is a good or a bad standard; the whole concept of standardization goes against Ch

In my opinion, both of you are right. The issue with the standard is not if it is a good or a bad standard; the whole concept of standardization goes against Chuck's approach of writing your own Forth fitted to the problem at hand. However, I think there is no discussion in that the industry preferred a standard to this unlimited freedom, so ANSI-FORTH really helped Forth in industrial settings. In other words: the standard held back the concept of Forth by Chuck Moore, but it helped to push forward the concept of Forth as an industrial product. A very grey area...