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1 billion Indians aren't all supporters of government censorship of criticism. If the US government enacted some ridiculous law, you would hope that US corpora

1 billion Indians aren't all supporters of government censorship of criticism. If the US government enacted some ridiculous law, you would hope that US corporations would try to push back a bit, at least rhetorically, because you recognize that the state isn't its people. Why suddenly the different tone for India?

input_sh 5y ago
Plenty of countries in the world have a lax view on nudity, show it on TV, go to the beach naked, have a regulated sex work industry etc. Yet, since almost all large platforms and payment processors are American, good luck posting photos of sand dunes because some algorithm at Facebook might confuse it with woman's breasts, and I don't see anyone pushing back. Point being adapt to local laws and culture instead of pretending that a couple of thousand of unelected dudes in Silicon Valley should have any say in what's allowed in some country none of them stepped foot in.
- fighterpilot 5y ago
  > adapt to local laws and culture instead of pretending that a couple of thousand of unelected dudes in Silicon Valley should have any say I think we might both agree there's a line beyond which even you would abandon this view. We may just disagree on where that line should exist. If the Indian state was forcing Twitter to delete the profiles of anyone who is a homosexual, would you agree that Twitter should just adapt to local laws and not at least say something? Probably not, right?
  - input_sh 5y ago
    We don't have to play pretend, there are countries like Saudi Arabia where that's already a thing. Turns out Twitter happily complies. https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/blog/twitter-not-safe-saudi-lgbt-citizens https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/blog/twitter-not-safe-saudi... The only moral high ground I'm willing to accept is them leaving such a market, but that doesn't align with their pockets.
  - sinyug 5y ago
    > If the Indian state was forcing Twitter to delete the profiles of anyone who is a homosexual, would you agree that Twitter should just adapt to local laws and not at least say something? You might want to pick another example to make your point. Persecution of homosexuals is a Christian (and, to an extent, Islamic) phenomenon. Historically, Hindus haven't really cared[1] about homosexual behavior till the British came in and brought their anti-buggery laws with them. Unlike animals in heat who do it in public, human sex in India has generally been a private affair. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_India
    - ehvatum 5y ago
      What Christian theocracy will put you to death, today, for being homosexual? Numerous Islamic government examples exist, yes. I’m looking for Christian, since that’s where you say the focus must be.
      - sinyug 5y ago
        > since that’s where you say the focus must be. Not what I said. I simply asked him to pick an appropriate example instead of one that has no basis in reality.
        fighterpilot 5y ago
        > no basis in reality. It's just a hypothetical that I put out there for rhetorical purposes. It doesn't have to be realistic. You can substitute India for another country (say, Saudi Arabia, like another poster did) if you think that realism is important. The argument will remain the same.
    - skinkestek 5y ago
      > Persecution of homosexuals is a Christian (and, to an extent, Islamic) phenomenon. Can we please stop pretending that Christianity is worse than other religions? As already mentioned by another numerous well known examples of other groups of people exist who punish homosexuality by death today (leaving out names as I'm not trying to not continue a flame war here, I'm not out to criticize any other religion or culture here). On the other hand I'm not aware of any current Christian groups who kill or beat anyone for that. > Hindus haven't really cared[1] about homosexual behavior till the British came in and brought their anti-buggery laws with them. You know what else the English brought? They brought an end to burning young widows in their "husbands" funerals. History isn't black and white and while I know it is extremely trendy to blame white Christian guys for everything we should strive for a better standard here.
true_religion 5y ago
With India’s population size, it’s possible more people support the government than exist people in the entirety of the United States. Why are they wrong and Americans right?

input_sh 5y ago

Plenty of countries in the world have a lax view on nudity, show it on TV, go to the beach naked, have a regulated sex work industry etc. Yet, since almost all large platforms and payment processors are American, good luck posting photos of sand dunes because some algorithm at Facebook might confuse it with woman's breasts, and I don't see anyone pushing back. Point being adapt to local laws and culture instead of pretending that a couple of thousand of unelected dudes in Silicon Valley should have any say in what's allowed in some country none of them stepped foot in.

fighterpilot 5y ago
> adapt to local laws and culture instead of pretending that a couple of thousand of unelected dudes in Silicon Valley should have any say I think we might both agree there's a line beyond which even you would abandon this view. We may just disagree on where that line should exist. If the Indian state was forcing Twitter to delete the profiles of anyone who is a homosexual, would you agree that Twitter should just adapt to local laws and not at least say something? Probably not, right?
- input_sh 5y ago
  We don't have to play pretend, there are countries like Saudi Arabia where that's already a thing. Turns out Twitter happily complies. https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/blog/twitter-not-safe-saudi-lgbt-citizens https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/blog/twitter-not-safe-saudi... The only moral high ground I'm willing to accept is them leaving such a market, but that doesn't align with their pockets.
- sinyug 5y ago
  > If the Indian state was forcing Twitter to delete the profiles of anyone who is a homosexual, would you agree that Twitter should just adapt to local laws and not at least say something? You might want to pick another example to make your point. Persecution of homosexuals is a Christian (and, to an extent, Islamic) phenomenon. Historically, Hindus haven't really cared[1] about homosexual behavior till the British came in and brought their anti-buggery laws with them. Unlike animals in heat who do it in public, human sex in India has generally been a private affair. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_India
  - ehvatum 5y ago
    What Christian theocracy will put you to death, today, for being homosexual? Numerous Islamic government examples exist, yes. I’m looking for Christian, since that’s where you say the focus must be.
    - sinyug 5y ago
      > since that’s where you say the focus must be. Not what I said. I simply asked him to pick an appropriate example instead of one that has no basis in reality.
      - fighterpilot 5y ago
        > no basis in reality. It's just a hypothetical that I put out there for rhetorical purposes. It doesn't have to be realistic. You can substitute India for another country (say, Saudi Arabia, like another poster did) if you think that realism is important. The argument will remain the same.
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    > Persecution of homosexuals is a Christian (and, to an extent, Islamic) phenomenon. Can we please stop pretending that Christianity is worse than other religions? As already mentioned by another numerous well known examples of other groups of people exist who punish homosexuality by death today (leaving out names as I'm not trying to not continue a flame war here, I'm not out to criticize any other religion or culture here). On the other hand I'm not aware of any current Christian groups who kill or beat anyone for that. > Hindus haven't really cared[1] about homosexual behavior till the British came in and brought their anti-buggery laws with them. You know what else the English brought? They brought an end to burning young widows in their "husbands" funerals. History isn't black and white and while I know it is extremely trendy to blame white Christian guys for everything we should strive for a better standard here.

true_religion 5y ago

With India’s population size, it’s possible more people support the government than exist people in the entirety of the United States. Why are they wrong and Americans right?