> [...] and larger websites like HN would pay for their hosting and on top of that maybe even have some funds to hire another dang. All of this could come witho

> [...] and larger websites like HN would pay for their hosting and on top of that maybe even have some funds to hire another dang. All of this could come without any advertisement, without dark patterns, tracking, tapping into our subconcious or primitive brain, and all the other evil genius ideas to come out of the advertisement industry As long as more traffic still means more profit there would still be plenty incentive for websites to engage in evil tactics against their users, in order to ensure that the users spend as much time as possible on that site. I too want a web without advertising, but I don’t believe for a second that all of the problems associated with advertising will go away even if advertising itself did. Some problems might disappear, others not, and new problems will appear in the place of problems that did disappear. After all, there are very many people out there who have gotten really good at coming up with evil tactics. These people would still be out there, and in demand, even if advertising disappeared.