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Yeah I completely agree. And server side, it's not good either (you can't federate with only a few servers, bugs are everywhere)… I honestly don't get how it st

Yeah I completely agree. And server side, it's not good either (you can't federate with only a few servers, bugs are everywhere)… I honestly don't get how it started to be the "de facto" open source chat system trying to replace IRC while it is this broken.

inciampati 5y ago
Those are minor growing pains, and irrelevant when compared to the nightmare of navigating fifty independent slack instances or convincing an entire group to move their communication onto a private solution. For me matrix has been absolutely transformative. It's letting us grow our project's realtime communication without bounds. Because it's open and federated, without the political baggage of tools like Signal or the ancient cruft of IRC, we can convince anyone to meet us there. There are almost no impediments to it's use. The clunkiness is very minor. Although they may lack some subtle UI polish, the tools don't crash and work more than well enough. I'm looking forward to when the world meets on matrix.
- lxgr 5y ago
  > Those are minor growing pains In my experience, neglecting the onboarding experience is a cardinal sin for any project challenging some incumbent. I‘ve been struggling with understanding what Element wants from me when signing up or signing in on a new device. Unfortunately I can‘t, in good conscience, recommend this to less technically knowledgeable friends and family.
akvadrako 5y ago
Because there isn't much else out there which supports e2e group chats.
3np 5y ago
> you can't federate with only a few servers ...Except you can? federation_domain_whitelist in synapse settings. Seems to have been working since 2018. I'm using it. Enabling it can sometimes cause significant delays when communicating with users on homeservers you're not federating with, though - I have some vague memory of seeing an open issue around improving relaying in these scenarios. I do agree that there's a long way to go before I can start recommending anything Matrix-based for friends and family. Things are just too slow, broken and inconsistent on both server- and client sides. There has been steady progress on all fronts, though. Maybe in a year or two.

inciampati 5y ago

Those are minor growing pains, and irrelevant when compared to the nightmare of navigating fifty independent slack instances or convincing an entire group to move their communication onto a private solution. For me matrix has been absolutely transformative. It's letting us grow our project's realtime communication without bounds. Because it's open and federated, without the political baggage of tools like Signal or the ancient cruft of IRC, we can convince anyone to meet us there. There are almost no impediments to it's use. The clunkiness is very minor. Although they may lack some subtle UI polish, the tools don't crash and work more than well enough. I'm looking forward to when the world meets on matrix.

lxgr 5y ago
> Those are minor growing pains In my experience, neglecting the onboarding experience is a cardinal sin for any project challenging some incumbent. I‘ve been struggling with understanding what Element wants from me when signing up or signing in on a new device. Unfortunately I can‘t, in good conscience, recommend this to less technically knowledgeable friends and family.

akvadrako 5y ago

Because there isn't much else out there which supports e2e group chats.

3np 5y ago

> you can't federate with only a few servers ...Except you can? federation_domain_whitelist in synapse settings. Seems to have been working since 2018. I'm using it. Enabling it can sometimes cause significant delays when communicating with users on homeservers you're not federating with, though - I have some vague memory of seeing an open issue around improving relaying in these scenarios. I do agree that there's a long way to go before I can start recommending anything Matrix-based for friends and family. Things are just too slow, broken and inconsistent on both server- and client sides. There has been steady progress on all fronts, though. Maybe in a year or two.