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Not assuming everyone is straight seems like a generational thing. However you feel in co-ed change rooms should mirror your feelings in single sex change roo

by ipaddr 6y ago

Not assuming everyone is straight seems like a generational thing. However you feel in co-ed change rooms should mirror your feelings in single sex change rooms. Men and women may/may not check you out.

estaseuropano 6y ago
Shouldn't the issue rather be the reverse? How you feel in single-sex changing rooms should be how we all get to feel also in co-ed rooms. There is no shame in Scandinavia to be together in a sauna with any age or gender - you don't flaunt what you got, but you also don't need to hide it unnecessarily. This was the norm in most places, certainly all around the USSR and famously you find that most (or maybe by now just 'many') beaches allow nudism while the west has some too it's clearly less. Definitely a large part of this is that the prudish American ways have spread in Europe through (mainstream/Hollywood) films and series. Violence is normalised, while the body and sexuality are shamed and hidden and in that process made taboo and erotic. If you watch some non-UK European movies you really see this very visually, e.g. French movies are all about emotions, German movies are all about mystery and social issues, or e.g. Estonian movies are exploring character. All European films will have some nudity built in, but it's rarely 'sexual' and more just to show that the characters have intimacy/a private moment.
- JKCalhoun 6y ago
  Yes, going to Japan and experiencing their public onsen was unusual for an American like me — to be nude among strangers. To be sure the place I went it was gender divided, but still strange for an American.
- denton-scratch 6y ago
  Yah, Hollywood. Married couples sleeping in separate single beds. Kisses without tongues. Bras made of cast-iron.
JKCalhoun 6y ago
Seems naive to me to assume that a generation or so ago straight men had no clue that gay men existed ... among them! While it may be in the open now, societally, I assume straight men always knew there were gay men everywhere. For all of human history.
- coldtea 6y ago
  >Seems naive to me to assume that a generation or so ago straight men had no clue that gay men existed ... among them! The parent is maybe 20-something and thinks of 2000 as some distant past filled with savages? Straight men knew gay men existed among them (including in locker rooms) since the time of Socrates...

by ipaddr 6y ago

estaseuropano 6y ago

Shouldn't the issue rather be the reverse? How you feel in single-sex changing rooms should be how we all get to feel also in co-ed rooms. There is no shame in Scandinavia to be together in a sauna with any age or gender - you don't flaunt what you got, but you also don't need to hide it unnecessarily. This was the norm in most places, certainly all around the USSR and famously you find that most (or maybe by now just 'many') beaches allow nudism while the west has some too it's clearly less. Definitely a large part of this is that the prudish American ways have spread in Europe through (mainstream/Hollywood) films and series. Violence is normalised, while the body and sexuality are shamed and hidden and in that process made taboo and erotic. If you watch some non-UK European movies you really see this very visually, e.g. French movies are all about emotions, German movies are all about mystery and social issues, or e.g. Estonian movies are exploring character. All European films will have some nudity built in, but it's rarely 'sexual' and more just to show that the characters have intimacy/a private moment.

JKCalhoun 6y ago
Yes, going to Japan and experiencing their public onsen was unusual for an American like me — to be nude among strangers. To be sure the place I went it was gender divided, but still strange for an American.
denton-scratch 6y ago
Yah, Hollywood. Married couples sleeping in separate single beds. Kisses without tongues. Bras made of cast-iron.

JKCalhoun 6y ago

Seems naive to me to assume that a generation or so ago straight men had no clue that gay men existed ... among them! While it may be in the open now, societally, I assume straight men always knew there were gay men everywhere. For all of human history.

coldtea 6y ago
>Seems naive to me to assume that a generation or so ago straight men had no clue that gay men existed ... among them! The parent is maybe 20-something and thinks of 2000 as some distant past filled with savages? Straight men knew gay men existed among them (including in locker rooms) since the time of Socrates...