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I wonder, has Bjarne Stroustrup even shipped any industrial-grade software? Because he's mostly an academic AFAIK.

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
I have no idea what "industrial grade software is", but I ship a cross-platform DAW written in C++, and RAII is tremendously awesome.
- HexDecOctBin 5y ago
  Are you saying that it is better than the alternatives? Have you tried writing code from a grouped-resources perspective? What was your conclusion?
  - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
    I don't see grouped resources as an alternative to the way we use RAII. It doesn't mean that the approach doesn't have its own merits, but it doesn't cover the things we do with RAII. The architecture of a DAW isn't much like a server that responds to requests, even if there are elements of it that do correspond to that pattern. Alternatively, you are referring to something I'm not aware of.
ncmncm 5y ago
Bjarne Stroustrup is a Director at Morgan-Stanley, a major investment bank in New York where software difficulties may cost millions of dollars per minute. He has described his workday as people coming to him with a difficult software engineering problem, about which he asks increasingly detailed questions until light dawns, and they go away ready to re-write the badly designed subsystem causing the trouble.
- syspec 5y ago
  Everybody describes their own day like that
- indy 5y ago
  Often, just the act of explaining your problem to someone results in possible answers. (see Rubber Duck Debugging https://rubberduckdebugging.com https://rubberduckdebugging.com)
  - boomlinde 5y ago
    When using a "rubber duck" I think you just force yourself to turn loose thoughts into coherent ideas by having to express them clearly. This can reveal some problems that were not apparent before the idea was expressed. It's a "rubber duck" because it's really just a monologue and an inanimate object could do the job of the listener. What's described above seems more like Socratic questioning, where a person asks questions that reveal facets of an idea that the person being asked may not have considered, thereby prompting the asked to rethink their assumptions and draw new conclusions.
hardlianotion 5y ago
Edit - Already answered in more detail, below. He is at Morgan Stanley, https://www.morganstanley.com/profiles/bjarne-stroustrup-managing-director-technology https://www.morganstanley.com/profiles/bjarne-stroustrup-man... I don’t know how close he is to the grind, but I imagine he at least talks to people who are reasonably often.

I have no idea what "industrial grade software is", but I ship a cross-platform DAW written in C++, and RAII is tremendously awesome.

HexDecOctBin 5y ago
Are you saying that it is better than the alternatives? Have you tried writing code from a grouped-resources perspective? What was your conclusion?
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  I don't see grouped resources as an alternative to the way we use RAII. It doesn't mean that the approach doesn't have its own merits, but it doesn't cover the things we do with RAII. The architecture of a DAW isn't much like a server that responds to requests, even if there are elements of it that do correspond to that pattern. Alternatively, you are referring to something I'm not aware of.

ncmncm 5y ago

Bjarne Stroustrup is a Director at Morgan-Stanley, a major investment bank in New York where software difficulties may cost millions of dollars per minute. He has described his workday as people coming to him with a difficult software engineering problem, about which he asks increasingly detailed questions until light dawns, and they go away ready to re-write the badly designed subsystem causing the trouble.

syspec 5y ago
Everybody describes their own day like that
indy 5y ago
Often, just the act of explaining your problem to someone results in possible answers. (see Rubber Duck Debugging https://rubberduckdebugging.com https://rubberduckdebugging.com)
- boomlinde 5y ago
  When using a "rubber duck" I think you just force yourself to turn loose thoughts into coherent ideas by having to express them clearly. This can reveal some problems that were not apparent before the idea was expressed. It's a "rubber duck" because it's really just a monologue and an inanimate object could do the job of the listener. What's described above seems more like Socratic questioning, where a person asks questions that reveal facets of an idea that the person being asked may not have considered, thereby prompting the asked to rethink their assumptions and draw new conclusions.

hardlianotion 5y ago

Edit - Already answered in more detail, below. He is at Morgan Stanley, https://www.morganstanley.com/profiles/bjarne-stroustrup-managing-director-technology https://www.morganstanley.com/profiles/bjarne-stroustrup-man... I don’t know how close he is to the grind, but I imagine he at least talks to people who are reasonably often.