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US and EU citizens could visit most places on a whim, but leaving and staying permanently elsewhere could be a lot more difficult -- even if you were an America
by rst 5y ago
US and EU citizens could visit most places on a whim, but leaving and staying permanently elsewhere could be a lot more difficult -- even if you were an American who didn't want to go farther than Canada. (After Trump's election, there were more than a few Americans who found that a very unpleasant surprise, for some reason.)
And as we're seeing on the US southern border right now, the rules are very, very different for people who want to pick and leave, say, Guatemala.
- chr1 5y agoThere is a difference between "not being able to leave" and "not being able to enter", your examples are of second kind. Currently there are very few places that prevent people from leaving, e.g. North Korea, Turkmenistan, Xinjiang for Uighurs. East Germany and USSR in recent history.
- crasch4 5y agoMost countries have laws that strictly limit who can entry. What good is the theoretical freedom to leave, if there is no where to go?
- chr1 5y agoCompare someone from Venezuela and North Korea. Millions of people managed to leave Venezuela and stay alive, unlike millions of people from North Korea who had died from hunger in 90s despite having neighbours ready to take care of them. But if you think that there is nowhere to go, you need to support seasteading, because if it succeeds there will be many new countries that will be happy to take new citizens.
- ta9999 5y agoDoes the perspective on the boundary matter if the end result is that you can't cross it?