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Quoting your previous message: > The FSD package as it exists gets you autonomy on highways already did you say that before you had the chance to read that te

by aflag 6y ago

Quoting your previous message: > The FSD package as it exists gets you autonomy on highways already did you say that before you had the chance to read that text?

ajross 6y ago
I don't understand. My use of "autonomy" was perfectly in line with existing convention, and this text describes the product and my understanding of it perfectly. Really, can't you just assume good faith and figure that people like me see value in and want to purchase this product knowing full well exactly what it does? Why must everything be a lie to your ears? Maybe... you just want something different? Why are you so angry about a product you aren't buying.
- aflag 6y ago
  I'm not angry. I just find the wording misleading. I thought you did so too, given your sentence. Given the interpretation of many people in this thread (including mine), I think there is plenty evidence that it is indeed misleading. It is nice you were not one of them, given that you seem to be the only one who bought the car. As for assuming good faith, giving all Elon Musk's actions and statements, it is hard to assume it at this point.
  - unityByFreedom 6y ago
    raises hand I'm annoyed that these cars exist on the road. They're a danger to all drivers. People don't need to "learn" how to operate semi-autonomous vehicles that have insufficient safety features. Tesla's autonomy does not train drivers to be attentive. In accident situations, a driver who's been lulled into complacency has no chance to respond appropriately. Every other company took a more conservative approach to self-driving. Only Tesla barrels forward, head in the sand, ignoring all standards, like being able to exit the vehicle in an accident without needing to find the latch behind the speaker cover. A random passenger would not know this. Tesla breaks things that were not broken and claims they are innovative solutions, meanwhile wasting public investment money.

by aflag 6y ago

Quoting your previous message: > The FSD package as it exists gets you autonomy on highways already did you say that before you had the chance to read that text?

ajross 6y ago

I don't understand. My use of "autonomy" was perfectly in line with existing convention, and this text describes the product and my understanding of it perfectly. Really, can't you just assume good faith and figure that people like me see value in and want to purchase this product knowing full well exactly what it does? Why must everything be a lie to your ears? Maybe... you just want something different? Why are you so angry about a product you aren't buying.

aflag 6y ago
I'm not angry. I just find the wording misleading. I thought you did so too, given your sentence. Given the interpretation of many people in this thread (including mine), I think there is plenty evidence that it is indeed misleading. It is nice you were not one of them, given that you seem to be the only one who bought the car. As for assuming good faith, giving all Elon Musk's actions and statements, it is hard to assume it at this point.
- unityByFreedom 6y ago
  raises hand I'm annoyed that these cars exist on the road. They're a danger to all drivers. People don't need to "learn" how to operate semi-autonomous vehicles that have insufficient safety features. Tesla's autonomy does not train drivers to be attentive. In accident situations, a driver who's been lulled into complacency has no chance to respond appropriately. Every other company took a more conservative approach to self-driving. Only Tesla barrels forward, head in the sand, ignoring all standards, like being able to exit the vehicle in an accident without needing to find the latch behind the speaker cover. A random passenger would not know this. Tesla breaks things that were not broken and claims they are innovative solutions, meanwhile wasting public investment money.