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Its not caused by lack of housing, the people on the street are incapable of supporting themselves much less maintaining a dwelling - have you ever been here? O

Its not caused by lack of housing, the people on the street are incapable of supporting themselves much less maintaining a dwelling - have you ever been here? Our homeless are mostly drug-seeking tourists who are from elsewhere. The Reagan canard is also just that; The Supreme court ruling sought by the ACLU during the Carter administration is why people are out on the street, the govt can't legally commit people like that anymore. Evictions are hard here for the same reasons that its trivial to get fentanyl in front of the federal building that houses the DEA - failed govt policy.

tomnipotent 5y ago
Maybe do some research. https://www.pacificresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/HomelessBrief_final_web.pdf https://www.pacificresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/H... "Roughly 34 percent of the homeless in San Francisco are homeless due to direct economic factors, such as evictions and job losses. Another 12 percent became homeless when they lost the safety net of family or friends." "About 15 percent are due to drug addiction or substance abuse."
- bifrost 5y ago
  I've spoken with several people working directly with the homeless, 95% of the people on the street are not from SF, most of them are told to say they're from SF so they can get services. There are tons of fake/stilted reports from special interest groups, they're trying to feed the "Homeless Industrial Complex" which has been growing rapidly since 2003. The City has even had to sue other counties for dumping: https://www.ktvn.com/story/30191022/nevada-san-francisco-reach-400000-patient-dumping-settlement https://www.ktvn.com/story/30191022/nevada-san-francisco-rea... Its very well known that SF has drug tourists, its so obvious if you're on the streets here...
  - tomnipotent 5y ago
    > I've spoken with several people working directly with the homeless And somehow this makes you an expert or informed on the matter? > 95% of the people on the street are not from SF This is likely the case for every metro in the world. And? > well known that SF has drug tourists Facts and research, please. You seem keen to peddle the homeless as drug-addled perpetrators stereotype.
    - bifrost 5y ago
      Yes, speaking with experts makes one informed. Even the Mayor of SF has talked about how SF has drug tourists and how they need to be prevented from receiving services. You don't seem to be very informed about SF.
      - tomnipotent 5y ago
        Every single public service is abused by some percentage of people using it. So? The mayor holding a press conference or speaking to the press to score points doesn't make it any more credible than the Reagan's bullshit about drugs in the 80s. I'm not interested in the incredibly small percentage of people exploiting the system that isn't helping them in the first place, but the large percentage of homeless - transient or long term - that need services but are fought every part of the way by ignorance like this.
        bifrost 5y ago
        Its not an incredibly small number of people exploiting the system, its 95% of people in this system.
        tomnipotent 5y ago
        > its 95% of people in this system Pulling numbers out of thin air doesn't make them true.
        bifrost 5y ago
        That number came from an expert. They also asserted that if our local DA actually did something about dealing on the streets we'd lose that same number of homeless people and they'd return to wherever they came from before SF, or go to Oakland. SF has turned itself into an "attractive nuisance" due to our unchecked open air drug markets.
        tomnipotent 5y ago
1cvmask 5y ago
Here is the Supreme Court ruling in 1975: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Connor_v._Donaldson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Connor_v._Donaldson Carter era federal law signed into effect 1980: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_of_Institutionalized_Persons_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_of_Institutionali... Other links: https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-mental-institutions https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-mental-institutions

tomnipotent 5y ago

Maybe do some research. https://www.pacificresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/HomelessBrief_final_web.pdf https://www.pacificresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/H... "Roughly 34 percent of the homeless in San Francisco are homeless due to direct economic factors, such as evictions and job losses. Another 12 percent became homeless when they lost the safety net of family or friends." "About 15 percent are due to drug addiction or substance abuse."

bifrost 5y ago
I've spoken with several people working directly with the homeless, 95% of the people on the street are not from SF, most of them are told to say they're from SF so they can get services. There are tons of fake/stilted reports from special interest groups, they're trying to feed the "Homeless Industrial Complex" which has been growing rapidly since 2003. The City has even had to sue other counties for dumping: https://www.ktvn.com/story/30191022/nevada-san-francisco-reach-400000-patient-dumping-settlement https://www.ktvn.com/story/30191022/nevada-san-francisco-rea... Its very well known that SF has drug tourists, its so obvious if you're on the streets here...
- tomnipotent 5y ago
  > I've spoken with several people working directly with the homeless And somehow this makes you an expert or informed on the matter? > 95% of the people on the street are not from SF This is likely the case for every metro in the world. And? > well known that SF has drug tourists Facts and research, please. You seem keen to peddle the homeless as drug-addled perpetrators stereotype.
  - bifrost 5y ago
    Yes, speaking with experts makes one informed. Even the Mayor of SF has talked about how SF has drug tourists and how they need to be prevented from receiving services. You don't seem to be very informed about SF.
    - tomnipotent 5y ago
      Every single public service is abused by some percentage of people using it. So? The mayor holding a press conference or speaking to the press to score points doesn't make it any more credible than the Reagan's bullshit about drugs in the 80s. I'm not interested in the incredibly small percentage of people exploiting the system that isn't helping them in the first place, but the large percentage of homeless - transient or long term - that need services but are fought every part of the way by ignorance like this.
      - bifrost 5y ago
        Its not an incredibly small number of people exploiting the system, its 95% of people in this system.
        tomnipotent 5y ago
        > its 95% of people in this system Pulling numbers out of thin air doesn't make them true.
        bifrost 5y ago
        That number came from an expert. They also asserted that if our local DA actually did something about dealing on the streets we'd lose that same number of homeless people and they'd return to wherever they came from before SF, or go to Oakland. SF has turned itself into an "attractive nuisance" due to our unchecked open air drug markets.
        tomnipotent 5y ago

1cvmask 5y ago

Here is the Supreme Court ruling in 1975: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Connor_v._Donaldson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Connor_v._Donaldson Carter era federal law signed into effect 1980: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_of_Institutionalized_Persons_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_of_Institutionali... Other links: https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-mental-institutions https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-mental-institutions