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As they should. This is judiciary overreach.

celticninja 5y ago
Yes let's leave these people in horrific environments and situations because we can. I can't believe that when common morality is so absent,that when it is so bad it has to be legally mandated, there are still people who think that leaving them to rot is ok. You are probably not a Christian, but you have a large Christian population and that they allow this to happen just highlights the hypocrisy of the entire idea of the United States. Spend a billion or 12 on a brushfire war to shake your stick and measure your military penis but spend a fraction of that on helping poor people and you balk.
- dang 5y ago
  Neither religious nor nationalistic flamewar is welcome on HN and you managed to start both in one go. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't do this here. Edit: We've had to warn you many times in the past. Please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments. We ban accounts that do those things.
- disgrunt 5y ago
  Judges aren't kings. In the United States there is a separation of powers for a reason. Skid Row is a failure of the executive and legislative branches in California. California voters have perpetuated this failure by continually re-electing them.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Judges aren't kings. Neither are executives and legislators at any level. > In the United States there is a separation of powers for a reason. Yes, and the reason is to mitigate failure in any one branch. > Skid Row is a failure of the executive and legislative branches in California. More particularly, it's a failure of the executive and legislative branches in LA. But it's, among other things, a failure of them to obey the equal protection and due process clauses of the 14th Amendment to the federal Constitution, which is remediable by federal judicial intervention.
- giantg2 5y ago
  "You are probably not a Christian, but you have a large Christian population and that they allow this to happen just highlights the hypocrisy of the entire idea of the United States." I'm interested... what is the entire idea of the US?
  - celticninja 5y ago
    From outside the US you look like a weird mix of forward thinking, liberal (e.g cannabis legalisation) and a right wing theocracy ( e.g abortion). Although the US doesn't have a state religion a large and vocal part of your population are Christians. Atheists, of which the US has plenty, make a very small proportion of your government. So a lot of laws come with religious baggage or at least the debates around them do. This adds to the idea of your being a religious, predominantly Christian country. However your Christians talk the talk but don't walk the walk. The richest nation on earth, putting people into space and all your other achievements are to be admired. But any idea of helping your fellow man is shot down entirely by one party and isn't always fully supported by the other. I understand the countries foundation was to help yourself, but once you reach a point where you are rich enough to fix it, then you fix it. I was enamoured with the US and the military as a child and imagined moving to the US and joining the military but as I grew up and the reality collided with what was essentially propaganda I was left sorely disappointed that you had squandered the opportunity to really be a world leader.
    - SnowProblem 5y ago
      The parts of the US with the highest rates of homelessness tend to be the least Christian, and vice versa. Make of that what you will. https://i.ibb.co/KVpHXPF/datamap.png https://i.ibb.co/KVpHXPF/datamap.png
    - giantg2 5y ago
      How exactly do you propose we fix it? What exactly is "it"? The US sends more foriegn aid money than any other country, around $30 billion (excluding the loans China tries to pass off as aid). That's just the amount from the government. There is a lot of charitable donations and work that come from nongovernment groups too. The party issues you speak of can be tricky. Some of that divide can be a difference in views on how something should be done. Some people oppose government charity and want private charity to take a bigger role, and they donate accordingly. Of course that's not the case for everyone. Many of the issues in today's society will not simply disappear by throwing money at them. That said, I do think the homeless issue could be handled better. I think Norway or a neighboring country has a good program that focuses on getting people back into the workforce.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
  The actual meaning of the US is "what you can get away with" and "well I got mine." Compassion is what people do when they wanna get elected.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  > Yes let's leave these people in horrific environments and situations because we can. Yes, let's make sure that we keep the limits on government, because we've seen bad examples of what happens when the government isn't limited. There's more than one problem that deserves compassion...

Yes let's leave these people in horrific environments and situations because we can. I can't believe that when common morality is so absent,that when it is so bad it has to be legally mandated, there are still people who think that leaving them to rot is ok. You are probably not a Christian, but you have a large Christian population and that they allow this to happen just highlights the hypocrisy of the entire idea of the United States. Spend a billion or 12 on a brushfire war to shake your stick and measure your military penis but spend a fraction of that on helping poor people and you balk.

dang 5y ago
Neither religious nor nationalistic flamewar is welcome on HN and you managed to start both in one go. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't do this here. Edit: We've had to warn you many times in the past. Please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments. We ban accounts that do those things.
disgrunt 5y ago
Judges aren't kings. In the United States there is a separation of powers for a reason. Skid Row is a failure of the executive and legislative branches in California. California voters have perpetuated this failure by continually re-electing them.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Judges aren't kings. Neither are executives and legislators at any level. > In the United States there is a separation of powers for a reason. Yes, and the reason is to mitigate failure in any one branch. > Skid Row is a failure of the executive and legislative branches in California. More particularly, it's a failure of the executive and legislative branches in LA. But it's, among other things, a failure of them to obey the equal protection and due process clauses of the 14th Amendment to the federal Constitution, which is remediable by federal judicial intervention.
giantg2 5y ago
"You are probably not a Christian, but you have a large Christian population and that they allow this to happen just highlights the hypocrisy of the entire idea of the United States." I'm interested... what is the entire idea of the US?
- celticninja 5y ago
  From outside the US you look like a weird mix of forward thinking, liberal (e.g cannabis legalisation) and a right wing theocracy ( e.g abortion). Although the US doesn't have a state religion a large and vocal part of your population are Christians. Atheists, of which the US has plenty, make a very small proportion of your government. So a lot of laws come with religious baggage or at least the debates around them do. This adds to the idea of your being a religious, predominantly Christian country. However your Christians talk the talk but don't walk the walk. The richest nation on earth, putting people into space and all your other achievements are to be admired. But any idea of helping your fellow man is shot down entirely by one party and isn't always fully supported by the other. I understand the countries foundation was to help yourself, but once you reach a point where you are rich enough to fix it, then you fix it. I was enamoured with the US and the military as a child and imagined moving to the US and joining the military but as I grew up and the reality collided with what was essentially propaganda I was left sorely disappointed that you had squandered the opportunity to really be a world leader.
  - SnowProblem 5y ago
    The parts of the US with the highest rates of homelessness tend to be the least Christian, and vice versa. Make of that what you will. https://i.ibb.co/KVpHXPF/datamap.png https://i.ibb.co/KVpHXPF/datamap.png
  - giantg2 5y ago
    How exactly do you propose we fix it? What exactly is "it"? The US sends more foriegn aid money than any other country, around $30 billion (excluding the loans China tries to pass off as aid). That's just the amount from the government. There is a lot of charitable donations and work that come from nongovernment groups too. The party issues you speak of can be tricky. Some of that divide can be a difference in views on how something should be done. Some people oppose government charity and want private charity to take a bigger role, and they donate accordingly. Of course that's not the case for everyone. Many of the issues in today's society will not simply disappear by throwing money at them. That said, I do think the homeless issue could be handled better. I think Norway or a neighboring country has a good program that focuses on getting people back into the workforce.
MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
The actual meaning of the US is "what you can get away with" and "well I got mine." Compassion is what people do when they wanna get elected.
AnimalMuppet 5y ago
> Yes let's leave these people in horrific environments and situations because we can. Yes, let's make sure that we keep the limits on government, because we've seen bad examples of what happens when the government isn't limited. There's more than one problem that deserves compassion...