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I'm not posting to try to convince you, as you're clearly beyond reason. I just find some aspects of your comments here interesting, and worth laying out for a

I'm not posting to try to convince you, as you're clearly beyond reason. I just find some aspects of your comments here interesting, and worth laying out for any third party who might read them. First you attacked a comment (above), claiming they'd moved goalposts in their arguments, and then you claimed hospitals had not overflowed. Subsequently, you responded to a comment providing a citation saying they did, by demanding a different source - which is moving the goalposts, the very thing you criticized in someone else. Here, look at this, another article showing Indian hospitals have overflowed, this time from Reuters: > Indian hospitals turn away patients in COVID-19 ‘tsunami’ [1] This is relevant because you yourself consider Reuters a citable source, at least when you like what it is saying [2]. That comment you cited Reuters in reminded me of another of your comments [3] (I actually did mark your words, as requested): > Mark my words America is heading towards herd immunity as long as we stay this course, and this will be all over by the end of the year. (you, eight months ago) How's that herd immunity coming along? Was it all over by the end of the year? [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/india/indias-daily-coronavirus-cases-climb-new-world-record-hospitals-buckle-2021-04-24/ https://www.reuters.com/world/india/indias-daily-coronavirus... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26732877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26732877 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24277509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24277509

nickthemagicman 5y ago
I'm glad you marked my words. Texas had 40,000 people at a football game, has no covid restrictions, and is at record lows for Covid. With the exception of Michigan almost every single state has reached record lows of Covid. It's not an exact science but we have reached herd immunity in almost all of America within a few months of what I predicted. All with only 25 to 40 percent vaccination number. So it's clearly not vaccination or restrictions providing the full herd immunity. As for India sure I'll give you that. I should amend my statement to mean 'First world' countries with adequate ICU capacity had no ICU overflow. You have to quote a third world country with the average personal income of 2000 dollars a month to support your argument because the hundreds and hundreds of other worldwide first and second world countries didn't have any hospital overflows. This is not surprising or unexpected and disingenuous of you to discredit hundreds of other countries in favor of a single country to support your argument. However, the rest of the first world outside of India has had no hospital overflow. Asking for a legitimate source this is not the news media.... is not 'moving the goal posts'. You 'beleiveInScience' Covid zealots think the news media is science. I hate to break it to you but the news media is not a reliable scientific source. You should try to learn what science is before you #believe in it. I'm not sure what you Covid zealots require to feel safe again. I legitimately feel sorry for you. You're in a permanent prison of fear.
- EdwardCoffin 5y ago
  I have to say, you never disappoint: you've moved the goalpost again. You're implicitly conceding that contrary to your earlier assertions, there have been hospital overflows, but now are further restricting your claims to only apply to first and second world countries. You're also ignoring the fact that I chose this particular article not because I couldn't find first world examples (I already did, see above), but because this one was from a source (Reuters) you've already endorsed by citing articles from it yourself. Now you're writing a rambling attack to distract from the fact that you have nothing to support your claims, and can only try to evade the evidence against them.
  - nickthemagicman 5y ago
    Sure Ill concede that out of hundreds of countries, one third world country of India has had hospital overflows. Any person with good faith and an honest mindset would agree that India is the exception not the rule. Covid zealots are not known for honesty though.
- sofixa 5y ago
  I don't know what the f your problem is, but you're wrong. France is today, even past the worst of the current wave, still at more than 100% original capacity of ICU beds. (118% for France, 152% for the Ile de France region with Paris) Official sources and raw data: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210310-paris-hospitals-near-capacity-as-severe-covid-19-cases-surge https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210310-paris-hospitals-... https://bonjour.tousanticovid.gouv.fr/app.html#chiffres https://bonjour.tousanticovid.gouv.fr/app.html#chiffres Are you going to shift the goalposts again and redefine to "Anglosphere first world countries"? Or are you going to admit you don't know what the hell you're talking about? "Covid zealots" is a peculiar term, i'll give that. Makes little sense of course, but nothing you say does.
  - nickthemagicman 5y ago
    The first article that you linked was a news article and said "Near capacity" not "Over capacity" and the second link you posted didn't have ICU numbers that I could see. ICU's run "near capacity" all the time, so the news source you linked is simply stating a normal situation in a sensational context. See here: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/2-healthcare-leaders-talk-icu-capacity-5-sound-bites.html#:~:text=For%20most%20level%201%20trauma,presented%20unique%20challenges%20for%20hospitals https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/2-healthc.... What I mean by Covid zealot is people who believe things that aren't real about Covid based on poor critical thinking and/or poor understanding of the data or some other reason that I don't understand.

nickthemagicman 5y ago

I'm glad you marked my words. Texas had 40,000 people at a football game, has no covid restrictions, and is at record lows for Covid. With the exception of Michigan almost every single state has reached record lows of Covid. It's not an exact science but we have reached herd immunity in almost all of America within a few months of what I predicted. All with only 25 to 40 percent vaccination number. So it's clearly not vaccination or restrictions providing the full herd immunity. As for India sure I'll give you that. I should amend my statement to mean 'First world' countries with adequate ICU capacity had no ICU overflow. You have to quote a third world country with the average personal income of 2000 dollars a month to support your argument because the hundreds and hundreds of other worldwide first and second world countries didn't have any hospital overflows. This is not surprising or unexpected and disingenuous of you to discredit hundreds of other countries in favor of a single country to support your argument. However, the rest of the first world outside of India has had no hospital overflow. Asking for a legitimate source this is not the news media.... is not 'moving the goal posts'. You 'beleiveInScience' Covid zealots think the news media is science. I hate to break it to you but the news media is not a reliable scientific source. You should try to learn what science is before you #believe in it. I'm not sure what you Covid zealots require to feel safe again. I legitimately feel sorry for you. You're in a permanent prison of fear.

EdwardCoffin 5y ago
I have to say, you never disappoint: you've moved the goalpost again. You're implicitly conceding that contrary to your earlier assertions, there have been hospital overflows, but now are further restricting your claims to only apply to first and second world countries. You're also ignoring the fact that I chose this particular article not because I couldn't find first world examples (I already did, see above), but because this one was from a source (Reuters) you've already endorsed by citing articles from it yourself. Now you're writing a rambling attack to distract from the fact that you have nothing to support your claims, and can only try to evade the evidence against them.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  Sure Ill concede that out of hundreds of countries, one third world country of India has had hospital overflows. Any person with good faith and an honest mindset would agree that India is the exception not the rule. Covid zealots are not known for honesty though.
sofixa 5y ago
I don't know what the f your problem is, but you're wrong. France is today, even past the worst of the current wave, still at more than 100% original capacity of ICU beds. (118% for France, 152% for the Ile de France region with Paris) Official sources and raw data: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210310-paris-hospitals-near-capacity-as-severe-covid-19-cases-surge https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210310-paris-hospitals-... https://bonjour.tousanticovid.gouv.fr/app.html#chiffres https://bonjour.tousanticovid.gouv.fr/app.html#chiffres Are you going to shift the goalposts again and redefine to "Anglosphere first world countries"? Or are you going to admit you don't know what the hell you're talking about? "Covid zealots" is a peculiar term, i'll give that. Makes little sense of course, but nothing you say does.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  The first article that you linked was a news article and said "Near capacity" not "Over capacity" and the second link you posted didn't have ICU numbers that I could see. ICU's run "near capacity" all the time, so the news source you linked is simply stating a normal situation in a sensational context. See here: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/2-healthcare-leaders-talk-icu-capacity-5-sound-bites.html#:~:text=For%20most%20level%201%20trauma,presented%20unique%20challenges%20for%20hospitals https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/2-healthc.... What I mean by Covid zealot is people who believe things that aren't real about Covid based on poor critical thinking and/or poor understanding of the data or some other reason that I don't understand.