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This article could mostly be summarized as "invest in ONE language". The arguments for that language to be Java aren't very strong compared to the arguments for

by boxed 6y ago

This article could mostly be summarized as "invest in ONE language". The arguments for that language to be Java aren't very strong compared to the arguments for ONE language.

reidrac 6y ago
I see some arguments for static typed languages as well. And some notes on performance, but mainly static types.
- jtolmar 6y ago
  Once you combine those into "use one statically typed language" it narrows down the field to just a handful of languages, though. The "use one language" stipulation requires that the language is actually appropriate in a wide variety of situations, and has libraries to back it up in all of those. Like, you can't use Rust as an everything-language, it has limited libraries and is designed for a specific domain. Between the two requirements, I think Java, C#, and TypeScript might be the only languages that qualify.
  - jcelerier 6y ago
    > Between the two requirements, I think Java, C#, and TypeScript might be the only languages that qualify. says jtolmar in a browser written in C++
    - Epskampie 6y ago
      “ the language is actually appropriate in a wide variety of situations, and has libraries to back it up in all of those”
      - jcelerier 6y ago
        ..yes ? if you can write a whole KDE (https://kde.org/ https://kde.org/) in C++ what is it not appropriate for and what libraries is it lacking
        twic 6y ago
        Are there any good full-featured C++ web frameworks? Comparable with Rails, Django, Spring, .net, etc?
        jcelerier 6y ago
        Drogon (https://github.com/an-tao/drogon https://github.com/an-tao/drogon), Cutelyst (https://github.com/cutelyst/cutelyst/ https://github.com/cutelyst/cutelyst/), Crow (https://github.com/CrowCpp/crow https://github.com/CrowCpp/crow) come to mind
        kaba0 6y ago
        There is a very real distinction between high and low level languages. And C++ is a nice low level language, but you wouldn’t write a CRUD app in it that changes requirements multiple times a week, because it is simply non-trivial to refactor, due to low level details leaking.
    - jtolmar 6y ago
      Although C++ is statically typed, all of the article's arguments in favor of static typing equally apply against C++. Also, the way you phrased your comment is needlessly rude, to the point I almost didn't bother replying. If you actually want to learn why people have the opinions they do, you should consider being more polite.
- jefftk 6y ago
  Since 2014, when this was written, (gradually) typed versions of several major formerly 100% dynamic languages have become mainstream, primarily Python and JavsScript (TypeScript)
habitue 6y ago
Yeah, there is an equivalent article that could be written for Rust as the one language (which is slightly more plausible than Java)

by boxed 6y ago

This article could mostly be summarized as "invest in ONE language". The arguments for that language to be Java aren't very strong compared to the arguments for ONE language.

reidrac 6y ago

I see some arguments for static typed languages as well. And some notes on performance, but mainly static types.

jtolmar 6y ago
Once you combine those into "use one statically typed language" it narrows down the field to just a handful of languages, though. The "use one language" stipulation requires that the language is actually appropriate in a wide variety of situations, and has libraries to back it up in all of those. Like, you can't use Rust as an everything-language, it has limited libraries and is designed for a specific domain. Between the two requirements, I think Java, C#, and TypeScript might be the only languages that qualify.
- jcelerier 6y ago
  > Between the two requirements, I think Java, C#, and TypeScript might be the only languages that qualify. says jtolmar in a browser written in C++
  - Epskampie 6y ago
    “ the language is actually appropriate in a wide variety of situations, and has libraries to back it up in all of those”
    - jcelerier 6y ago
      ..yes ? if you can write a whole KDE (https://kde.org/ https://kde.org/) in C++ what is it not appropriate for and what libraries is it lacking
      - twic 6y ago
        Are there any good full-featured C++ web frameworks? Comparable with Rails, Django, Spring, .net, etc?
        jcelerier 6y ago
        Drogon (https://github.com/an-tao/drogon https://github.com/an-tao/drogon), Cutelyst (https://github.com/cutelyst/cutelyst/ https://github.com/cutelyst/cutelyst/), Crow (https://github.com/CrowCpp/crow https://github.com/CrowCpp/crow) come to mind
      - kaba0 6y ago
        There is a very real distinction between high and low level languages. And C++ is a nice low level language, but you wouldn’t write a CRUD app in it that changes requirements multiple times a week, because it is simply non-trivial to refactor, due to low level details leaking.
  - jtolmar 6y ago
    Although C++ is statically typed, all of the article's arguments in favor of static typing equally apply against C++. Also, the way you phrased your comment is needlessly rude, to the point I almost didn't bother replying. If you actually want to learn why people have the opinions they do, you should consider being more polite.
jefftk 6y ago
Since 2014, when this was written, (gradually) typed versions of several major formerly 100% dynamic languages have become mainstream, primarily Python and JavsScript (TypeScript)

habitue 6y ago

Yeah, there is an equivalent article that could be written for Rust as the one language (which is slightly more plausible than Java)