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The article is not clear about whether this is in the companies interest or in the work forces interest. In some parts it sounds like it's better for the compan

The article is not clear about whether this is in the companies interest or in the work forces interest. In some parts it sounds like it's better for the company, but an actual argument for that is missing. Most of the article demands it though so that women, people of color and other disadvantaged groups are less disadvantaged. It would have been more honest to be clear about it. And it's not really honest either to just put the blame on the company. "I’m unlikely to bring up the topic of salary with a potential boss." Well, then change that. Before demanding something from a company that you would like to work for, start demanding something from yourself. It's basically the attitude "I have a problem, I could directly contribute to the solution, but I prefer ranting about that somebody else is not doing that for me."

em-bee 5y ago
you missed that as the article says, if women bring up salary issues, then that is seen as very negative. so in order for a woman to be able to change that, the rest of us need to change our attitude towards women about money first. you can not expect a person to speak up about something when they have to fear negative consequences. we first need to ensure that there are no negative consequences, and then assure those affected that this change happened. a way to do that in this case is by stating salaries up-front.
- ganafagol 5y ago
  > if women bring up salary issues, then that is seen as very negative I have a hard time believing that this is actually the case, at least more than for men.
  - JoeAltmaier 5y ago
    And that disbelief is part of why its so hard to correct.
    - ganafagol 5y ago
      You could provide evidence or other kinds of arguments to bring that claim from the realm of beliefs into the realm of facts.
      - JoeAltmaier 5y ago
        Right back atcha.
        ganafagol 5y ago
        The burden of providing a convincing argument for a claim tends to lie with the one making that claim.

em-bee 5y ago

you missed that as the article says, if women bring up salary issues, then that is seen as very negative. so in order for a woman to be able to change that, the rest of us need to change our attitude towards women about money first. you can not expect a person to speak up about something when they have to fear negative consequences. we first need to ensure that there are no negative consequences, and then assure those affected that this change happened. a way to do that in this case is by stating salaries up-front.

ganafagol 5y ago
> if women bring up salary issues, then that is seen as very negative I have a hard time believing that this is actually the case, at least more than for men.
- JoeAltmaier 5y ago
  And that disbelief is part of why its so hard to correct.
  - ganafagol 5y ago
    You could provide evidence or other kinds of arguments to bring that claim from the realm of beliefs into the realm of facts.
    - JoeAltmaier 5y ago
      Right back atcha.
      - ganafagol 5y ago
        The burden of providing a convincing argument for a claim tends to lie with the one making that claim.