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The fine print says what it is when you buy. This is a thing in almost all industries when it comes to marketing.

aflag 6y ago
Can you give another example of borderline false advertisiment such as tesla?
ajross 6y ago
This is precisely how the feature is described right above the button that adds it to your configuration in the purchase UI. I really don't think this is unclear at all, and absolutely not the kind of misleading stuff everyone here keeps talking about without citing: Full Self-Driving Capability * Navigate on Autopilot * Auto Lane Change * Autopark * Summon * Full Self-Driving Computer * Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control Coming later this year * Autosteer on city streets The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving features evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.
- aflag 6y ago
  Quoting your previous message: > The FSD package as it exists gets you autonomy on highways already did you say that before you had the chance to read that text?
  - ajross 6y ago
    I don't understand. My use of "autonomy" was perfectly in line with existing convention, and this text describes the product and my understanding of it perfectly. Really, can't you just assume good faith and figure that people like me see value in and want to purchase this product knowing full well exactly what it does? Why must everything be a lie to your ears? Maybe... you just want something different? Why are you so angry about a product you aren't buying.
    - aflag 6y ago
      I'm not angry. I just find the wording misleading. I thought you did so too, given your sentence. Given the interpretation of many people in this thread (including mine), I think there is plenty evidence that it is indeed misleading. It is nice you were not one of them, given that you seem to be the only one who bought the car. As for assuming good faith, giving all Elon Musk's actions and statements, it is hard to assume it at this point.
      - unityByFreedom 6y ago
        raises hand I'm annoyed that these cars exist on the road. They're a danger to all drivers. People don't need to "learn" how to operate semi-autonomous vehicles that have insufficient safety features. Tesla's autonomy does not train drivers to be attentive. In accident situations, a driver who's been lulled into complacency has no chance to respond appropriately. Every other company took a more conservative approach to self-driving. Only Tesla barrels forward, head in the sand, ignoring all standards, like being able to exit the vehicle in an accident without needing to find the latch behind the speaker cover. A random passenger would not know this. Tesla breaks things that were not broken and claims they are innovative solutions, meanwhile wasting public investment money.
jeffbee 6y ago
In consumer transactions the fine print is superseded by the statements, the "express warranties", made by the seller. That is the law in all fifty American states.

Can you give another example of borderline false advertisiment such as tesla?

This is precisely how the feature is described right above the button that adds it to your configuration in the purchase UI. I really don't think this is unclear at all, and absolutely not the kind of misleading stuff everyone here keeps talking about without citing: Full Self-Driving Capability * Navigate on Autopilot * Auto Lane Change * Autopark * Summon * Full Self-Driving Computer * Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control Coming later this year * Autosteer on city streets The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving features evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.

aflag 6y ago
Quoting your previous message: > The FSD package as it exists gets you autonomy on highways already did you say that before you had the chance to read that text?
- ajross 6y ago
  I don't understand. My use of "autonomy" was perfectly in line with existing convention, and this text describes the product and my understanding of it perfectly. Really, can't you just assume good faith and figure that people like me see value in and want to purchase this product knowing full well exactly what it does? Why must everything be a lie to your ears? Maybe... you just want something different? Why are you so angry about a product you aren't buying.
  - aflag 6y ago
    I'm not angry. I just find the wording misleading. I thought you did so too, given your sentence. Given the interpretation of many people in this thread (including mine), I think there is plenty evidence that it is indeed misleading. It is nice you were not one of them, given that you seem to be the only one who bought the car. As for assuming good faith, giving all Elon Musk's actions and statements, it is hard to assume it at this point.
    - unityByFreedom 6y ago
      raises hand I'm annoyed that these cars exist on the road. They're a danger to all drivers. People don't need to "learn" how to operate semi-autonomous vehicles that have insufficient safety features. Tesla's autonomy does not train drivers to be attentive. In accident situations, a driver who's been lulled into complacency has no chance to respond appropriately. Every other company took a more conservative approach to self-driving. Only Tesla barrels forward, head in the sand, ignoring all standards, like being able to exit the vehicle in an accident without needing to find the latch behind the speaker cover. A random passenger would not know this. Tesla breaks things that were not broken and claims they are innovative solutions, meanwhile wasting public investment money.

jeffbee 6y ago

In consumer transactions the fine print is superseded by the statements, the "express warranties", made by the seller. That is the law in all fifty American states.