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Assuming things fall on the side of "indefinite access" that can't be revoked: What happens if you have someone who is genuinely abusing your systems? Are you

Assuming things fall on the side of "indefinite access" that can't be revoked: What happens if you have someone who is genuinely abusing your systems? Are you just powerless until it reaches the point of criminal actions? That doesn't seem unreasonable, as I can't actually think of many examples of abuse that wouldn't be criminal..

techsupporter 5y ago
I doubt your first assumption will be the one that happens, even if this ruling does come out favorably for customers. There's an easy out for Apple and others: you give the customer the ability to access what they paid for independently of the seller. There's no requirement for Apple to be involved any more once Apple has delivered the file in way that can be opened independent of Apple.
jeroenhd 5y ago
You could terminate the account and refund the purchases in full, that way you can still get the user removed from your platform. Or, better yet, stop the unification of unrelated accounts and have a user be able to purchase and watch movies without necessarily having access to iCloud and such. There's plenty of ways to deal with this problem, but most of those cut into sales figures, such as dropping the pretense that the stuff you rent is related to owning things at all (i.e. not using the word "buy" anymore).
- microtherion 5y ago
  > You could terminate the account and refund the purchases in full So a user could sign up, watch all the movies they wanted for 10 years, and then get all their money back, provided they find a way to behave badly enough? Sounds like a pretty sweet incentive to some people, especially if you could manage to then repeat the cycle with another identity.
  - jeroenhd 5y ago
    Perhaps the refund could not be the original full price, but the current sales price available. After all, a digital copy of a movie is a perfect copy whose quality shouldn't drop over time. And if you buy something, it only figures that you'd be able to sell it when you're done with it. Digital media companies take that right away from you in many cases under the guise of digital subscriptions, but with Apple stating that you buy something, that doesn't seem like a big problem to me.
  - imgabe 5y ago
    What is Apple's rate of return on capital? If you gave them $5 10 years ago, they have probably more than doubled it by now.

techsupporter 5y ago

I doubt your first assumption will be the one that happens, even if this ruling does come out favorably for customers. There's an easy out for Apple and others: you give the customer the ability to access what they paid for independently of the seller. There's no requirement for Apple to be involved any more once Apple has delivered the file in way that can be opened independent of Apple.

jeroenhd 5y ago

You could terminate the account and refund the purchases in full, that way you can still get the user removed from your platform. Or, better yet, stop the unification of unrelated accounts and have a user be able to purchase and watch movies without necessarily having access to iCloud and such. There's plenty of ways to deal with this problem, but most of those cut into sales figures, such as dropping the pretense that the stuff you rent is related to owning things at all (i.e. not using the word "buy" anymore).

microtherion 5y ago
> You could terminate the account and refund the purchases in full So a user could sign up, watch all the movies they wanted for 10 years, and then get all their money back, provided they find a way to behave badly enough? Sounds like a pretty sweet incentive to some people, especially if you could manage to then repeat the cycle with another identity.
- jeroenhd 5y ago
  Perhaps the refund could not be the original full price, but the current sales price available. After all, a digital copy of a movie is a perfect copy whose quality shouldn't drop over time. And if you buy something, it only figures that you'd be able to sell it when you're done with it. Digital media companies take that right away from you in many cases under the guise of digital subscriptions, but with Apple stating that you buy something, that doesn't seem like a big problem to me.
- imgabe 5y ago
  What is Apple's rate of return on capital? If you gave them $5 10 years ago, they have probably more than doubled it by now.