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I hate to break this to you, but you've been Musked. > The FSD package as it exists gets you autonomy on highways already. This is incorrect. It's a level 2 d

by sethd 5y ago

I hate to break this to you, but you've been Musked. > The FSD package as it exists gets you autonomy on highways already. This is incorrect. It's a level 2 driver-assist feature no matter what road or surface you're driving on. This means keeping both hands on the wheel and paying full attention to driving 100% of the time.

joshribakoff 5y ago
The SAE levels measure the level of autonomy. Level 2 / driver assist is a form of autonomy. Also level 1 is driver assistance. Level 2 would be “partial automation”, see http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2013/12/sae-levels-driving-automation http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2013/12/sae-levels-driving...
- sethd 5y ago
  With level 2 driver assistance, you must always have your hands on the wheel and be in control of the vehicle, paying attention 100% of the time. Autonomous implies that the car is acting without human involvement. When you think about it, level 5 is the only level that should be described as autonomous. For all we know, level 5 could require strong AI to achieve. My guess is that the gap between levels 4 and 5 is much wider than most of us are assuming.
  - joshribakoff 5y ago
    This is a silly argument because humans are autonomous and cannot drive in all environments safely. Level 5 means matching human performance, so the cars can still get stuck and require a tow, if we reach level 5. I am using the word autonomous as defined by the SAE levels, which are described as “levels of autonomy”. You are yak shaving and contorting the words to your liking. Also tesla is level 3, not level 2. It also doesn’t require hands on wheel 100% of the time, although they say it requires this
  - ajross 5y ago
    As I said to a different poster: this is a shameless strawman. Instead of arguing with me about what I actually want or the features of the car I actually purchased, you're inventing a fictitious consumer of a car that isn't actually for sale and trying to tell me why I didn't buy the car I did for the reasons I think I did and/or why it doesn't actually do what I know damn well it does. All because you apparently can't handle the fact that Tesla's $10k FSD package actually provides value to consumers? I mean, be real: I almost certainly know more about this vehicle's capabilities than you do, and I assure you that I am more expert on my own purchasing logic.

by sethd 5y ago

joshribakoff 5y ago

The SAE levels measure the level of autonomy. Level 2 / driver assist is a form of autonomy. Also level 1 is driver assistance. Level 2 would be “partial automation”, see http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2013/12/sae-levels-driving-automation http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2013/12/sae-levels-driving...

sethd 5y ago
With level 2 driver assistance, you must always have your hands on the wheel and be in control of the vehicle, paying attention 100% of the time. Autonomous implies that the car is acting without human involvement. When you think about it, level 5 is the only level that should be described as autonomous. For all we know, level 5 could require strong AI to achieve. My guess is that the gap between levels 4 and 5 is much wider than most of us are assuming.
- joshribakoff 5y ago
  This is a silly argument because humans are autonomous and cannot drive in all environments safely. Level 5 means matching human performance, so the cars can still get stuck and require a tow, if we reach level 5. I am using the word autonomous as defined by the SAE levels, which are described as “levels of autonomy”. You are yak shaving and contorting the words to your liking. Also tesla is level 3, not level 2. It also doesn’t require hands on wheel 100% of the time, although they say it requires this
- ajross 5y ago
  As I said to a different poster: this is a shameless strawman. Instead of arguing with me about what I actually want or the features of the car I actually purchased, you're inventing a fictitious consumer of a car that isn't actually for sale and trying to tell me why I didn't buy the car I did for the reasons I think I did and/or why it doesn't actually do what I know damn well it does. All because you apparently can't handle the fact that Tesla's $10k FSD package actually provides value to consumers? I mean, be real: I almost certainly know more about this vehicle's capabilities than you do, and I assure you that I am more expert on my own purchasing logic.