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While this is certainly true for falcon 9 I wonder if Shotwell is deliberately letting Elon go unrestrained on Starship. Maybe SpaceX winning the Artemis contra

by quux 5y ago

While this is certainly true for falcon 9 I wonder if Shotwell is deliberately letting Elon go unrestrained on Starship. Maybe SpaceX winning the Artemis contract changes things but until now Starship was an area where they were free to make whatever claims they want and to fail as much as they like. Elon the hype man could run wild.

nickik 5y ago
People need to stop with this idiotic idea that Shotwell is some firefighter constantly holding Musk back. This is a meme at this point. Shotwell and Musk are working together very closely and have for 10+ years. Shotwell is often just as aggressive as Musk. On Starship specifically Shotwell has been just as agressive as Musk. And Elon is not a 'hype man' he is the Chief Engineer no matter how much people want to ignore that and call him a marketing guy or business guy or a hype man. NASA was clearly impressed with what SpaceX is doing with Starship and that was during the time when 'hype man' was running it (according to you). Accept of course we know that Shotwell is very much involved. Starship is developed the way it is because it is the most of how ambitious it both for operations and production. And those criticizing have clearly never developed a fully reusable rocket the size of a sky scraper so their criticism is mostly worthless.
- atonse 5y ago
  I will look for that YouTube video that Shotwell herself describes their roles. To (badly) paraphrase, Elon is definitely the visionary and chief engineer. He’s the one who says things like “we can go to Mars in 7 years” and everyone gasps and says he’s out of his mind. Then he lays out “no, we can do x,y,z and make it there, correct?” And then people kind of nod. And then she takes his ridiculously ambitious vision and has to figure out how they run a company with that goal. It really is that sort of dynamic. I am saying that with her, they are a terrifyingly effective duo. He needs that in Tesla. I own Tesla stock. I want them to continue to wildly succeed. It’s for that reason I want Elon to have a true peer there too.
  - nickik 5y ago
    I'm not saying somebody like that would not be beneficial. The quote doesn't actually disagree with what I have said however.

by quux 5y ago

nickik 5y ago

People need to stop with this idiotic idea that Shotwell is some firefighter constantly holding Musk back. This is a meme at this point. Shotwell and Musk are working together very closely and have for 10+ years. Shotwell is often just as aggressive as Musk. On Starship specifically Shotwell has been just as agressive as Musk. And Elon is not a 'hype man' he is the Chief Engineer no matter how much people want to ignore that and call him a marketing guy or business guy or a hype man. NASA was clearly impressed with what SpaceX is doing with Starship and that was during the time when 'hype man' was running it (according to you). Accept of course we know that Shotwell is very much involved. Starship is developed the way it is because it is the most of how ambitious it both for operations and production. And those criticizing have clearly never developed a fully reusable rocket the size of a sky scraper so their criticism is mostly worthless.

atonse 5y ago
I will look for that YouTube video that Shotwell herself describes their roles. To (badly) paraphrase, Elon is definitely the visionary and chief engineer. He’s the one who says things like “we can go to Mars in 7 years” and everyone gasps and says he’s out of his mind. Then he lays out “no, we can do x,y,z and make it there, correct?” And then people kind of nod. And then she takes his ridiculously ambitious vision and has to figure out how they run a company with that goal. It really is that sort of dynamic. I am saying that with her, they are a terrifyingly effective duo. He needs that in Tesla. I own Tesla stock. I want them to continue to wildly succeed. It’s for that reason I want Elon to have a true peer there too.
- nickik 5y ago
  I'm not saying somebody like that would not be beneficial. The quote doesn't actually disagree with what I have said however.