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I'm waiting for the VW.ID Buzz. Classic bus in modern & electric, due September 2022. Just seems like a fantasy come true. Although I'm afraid the final version

I'm waiting for the VW.ID Buzz. Classic bus in modern & electric, due September 2022. Just seems like a fantasy come true. Although I'm afraid the final version is unlikely to look like the awesome concept car... Ioniq looks good but doesn't seem very roomy in the back, so kids+dog+luggage won't fit.

WanderPanda 6y ago
Yep I don’t get why they always build these fantastic concept cars but always dumb down the design for the release. Interestingly in some podcast Franz von Holzhausen (the guy responsible for Teslas design) mentioned that he was tired of always designing concept cars and never releasing them before he went to work at Tesla.
- falcolas 6y ago
  > Yep I don’t get why they always build these fantastic concept cars but always dumb down the design for the release. Probably because 90% of a concept car is one-off (and that’s for the rare cases where it actually is a whole car, and not a shell), and re-tooling to create it (not to mention addding all the usual safety features) would make the mass production car cost hundreds of thousands.
  - ajmurmann 6y ago
    So why build the concept car in the first place? As a consumer seeing them at this point is just aggravating. It's just setting me up for disappointment. What's the point in setting your potential customers up for disappointment?
    - WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
      To hype the shit out of it. If the concept car looks like crap, noone will be interested in the real deal... welcome to modern consumerism. The best part is companies do it because otherwise other companies will.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > So why build the concept car in the first place? Because it builds media attention to the potential related production development; there’s usually particular features that are envisioned being for future production. > As a consumer seeing them at this point is just aggravating Consumers aren’t really the target audience, their exposure is more of a side-effect.
LightG 6y ago
Yeah, fair points - I've not see the ioniq 5 live yet so will have to wait and see. I thought they'd nailed it as they had a longer wheelbase than normal. We'll see. VW.ID Buzz looks pretty bad@ss, to be honest. But if we're going down that route, I'd be sending up some prayers for a VW.ID Beetle. I can dream.
- chrisweekly 6y ago
  Speaking of bad@ss, the Hummer EV sure looks the part...
_puk 6y ago
The ID buzz has got me excited too, but the video on the VW site [0] does the exact same thing we're knocking Tesla for.. "autonomous driving" displayed as the driver leans back, puts his hands behind his head and the steering wheel folds away! No wonder those in the market are confused as to what these cars are actually capable of. 0: last video on https://www.volkswagen-vans.co.uk/en/electric-vans/id-buzz.html https://www.volkswagen-vans.co.uk/en/electric-vans/id-buzz.h...
canadianfella 6y ago
Modern?
ytdytvhxgydvhh 6y ago
I think the buzzkill (apologies for the pun) on the ID.Buzz is the price. The classic VW Bus was quite affordable - basic ones cost the equivalent of today’s $25k way back when. Electrek reported an expected price of 40-60k euros for the ID.Buzz. So yeah, while it’ll look like the old Bus it won’t be as affordable for average people.

WanderPanda 6y ago

Yep I don’t get why they always build these fantastic concept cars but always dumb down the design for the release. Interestingly in some podcast Franz von Holzhausen (the guy responsible for Teslas design) mentioned that he was tired of always designing concept cars and never releasing them before he went to work at Tesla.

falcolas 6y ago
> Yep I don’t get why they always build these fantastic concept cars but always dumb down the design for the release. Probably because 90% of a concept car is one-off (and that’s for the rare cases where it actually is a whole car, and not a shell), and re-tooling to create it (not to mention addding all the usual safety features) would make the mass production car cost hundreds of thousands.
- ajmurmann 6y ago
  So why build the concept car in the first place? As a consumer seeing them at this point is just aggravating. It's just setting me up for disappointment. What's the point in setting your potential customers up for disappointment?
  - WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
    To hype the shit out of it. If the concept car looks like crap, noone will be interested in the real deal... welcome to modern consumerism. The best part is companies do it because otherwise other companies will.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > So why build the concept car in the first place? Because it builds media attention to the potential related production development; there’s usually particular features that are envisioned being for future production. > As a consumer seeing them at this point is just aggravating Consumers aren’t really the target audience, their exposure is more of a side-effect.

LightG 6y ago

Yeah, fair points - I've not see the ioniq 5 live yet so will have to wait and see. I thought they'd nailed it as they had a longer wheelbase than normal. We'll see. VW.ID Buzz looks pretty bad@ss, to be honest. But if we're going down that route, I'd be sending up some prayers for a VW.ID Beetle. I can dream.

chrisweekly 6y ago
Speaking of bad@ss, the Hummer EV sure looks the part...

_puk 6y ago

The ID buzz has got me excited too, but the video on the VW site [0] does the exact same thing we're knocking Tesla for.. "autonomous driving" displayed as the driver leans back, puts his hands behind his head and the steering wheel folds away! No wonder those in the market are confused as to what these cars are actually capable of. 0: last video on https://www.volkswagen-vans.co.uk/en/electric-vans/id-buzz.html https://www.volkswagen-vans.co.uk/en/electric-vans/id-buzz.h...

canadianfella 6y ago

Modern?

ytdytvhxgydvhh 6y ago

I think the buzzkill (apologies for the pun) on the ID.Buzz is the price. The classic VW Bus was quite affordable - basic ones cost the equivalent of today’s $25k way back when. Electrek reported an expected price of 40-60k euros for the ID.Buzz. So yeah, while it’ll look like the old Bus it won’t be as affordable for average people.