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I wonder if we will ever see a model similar to Qobuz/Bandcamp for movies and TV shows. These services allow downloading your purchases as DRM-free flac files.

dylan604 5y ago
As long as the MPAA exists, this will never happen.
- easton 5y ago
  Apple got the RIAA to go along with it, they definitely could get the movie studios to if they wanted (the pirates already broke Netflix, Amazon, and Disney's encryption, it's not helping anyway). I think the bigger problem now is that people don't buy enough movies for anyone to want to chase this down, and if you want to own a movie, 99% of the time I can get the Blu-Ray+digital version for the same price of the digital one, and then the license syncs to like five different video services. And if they all ban me, then I still have the Blu-Ray.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    The MPAA vs RIAA is sort of an apples vs oranges comparison though. Audio is much easier to compress, and MP3 made it very easy to make files small enough to download via dial-up modems. Video had years to go before quality was good enough at small enough sizes to make them a viable thing on the internet. Because of that, the MPAA got to watch/learn from mistakes that RIAA made in trying to protect its kingdom. Rather than fight the digital inevitablity like RIAA did, MPAA allowed the digital with DRM. This allowed for the "honest" public to have legal viable methods of watching the content. The useless tact RIAA fought caused its own demise in the fight making an entire generation of kids think that music should be free because that's all they knew. Their allowing of DRM free FLAC files was a white flag. MPAA is in a much stronger position to allow that to happen.
    - grishka 5y ago
      Also I don't think there ever were physical audio formats with DRM? CD came out way before piracy was anyone's concern, and then it was too late to change anything. On the other hand, all digital video formats have always had the technical capability for DRM, starting with DVD.
      - dane-pgp 5y ago
        > Also I don't think there ever were physical audio formats with DRM? MiniDiscs had "copy protection"[0] and this format was supported by major record labels[1]. They were first released in 1992. > all digital video formats have always had the technical capability for DRM, starting with DVD. By starting with DVD, you're skipping the DRM-free formats of Betamax, VHS, and LaserDisc then? Unless by "had the technical capability for" you mean "could be later extended to add", in which case there was Macrovision[2] for VHS, but also Extended Copy Protection[3] for CDs, also known as "the Sony rootkit". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniDisc#Copy_protection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniDisc#Copy_protection [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MiniDisc_releases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MiniDisc_releases [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_Protection_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_Protection_System [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Copy_Protection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Copy_Protection
        grishka 5y ago
        > MiniDiscs had "copy protection"[0] and this format was supported by major record labels[1]. From what I can tell, pre-recorded MiniDiscs were never popular. People bought blank ones and recorded their own pirated mp3s on there. But, yes, that makes me technically wrong with my first comment because it is a physical audio format that has the technical capability for DRM. > By starting with DVD, you're skipping the DRM-free formats of Betamax, VHS, and LaserDisc then? They're all analog and so you can't make an exact copy. At least not without obscenely expensive studio-grade equipment. Yes, that didn't stop people from making copies of VHS tapes, and yes, you could tell how many times it was copied by the picture quality.
        5y ago

dylan604 5y ago

As long as the MPAA exists, this will never happen.

easton 5y ago
Apple got the RIAA to go along with it, they definitely could get the movie studios to if they wanted (the pirates already broke Netflix, Amazon, and Disney's encryption, it's not helping anyway). I think the bigger problem now is that people don't buy enough movies for anyone to want to chase this down, and if you want to own a movie, 99% of the time I can get the Blu-Ray+digital version for the same price of the digital one, and then the license syncs to like five different video services. And if they all ban me, then I still have the Blu-Ray.
- dylan604 5y ago
  The MPAA vs RIAA is sort of an apples vs oranges comparison though. Audio is much easier to compress, and MP3 made it very easy to make files small enough to download via dial-up modems. Video had years to go before quality was good enough at small enough sizes to make them a viable thing on the internet. Because of that, the MPAA got to watch/learn from mistakes that RIAA made in trying to protect its kingdom. Rather than fight the digital inevitablity like RIAA did, MPAA allowed the digital with DRM. This allowed for the "honest" public to have legal viable methods of watching the content. The useless tact RIAA fought caused its own demise in the fight making an entire generation of kids think that music should be free because that's all they knew. Their allowing of DRM free FLAC files was a white flag. MPAA is in a much stronger position to allow that to happen.
  - grishka 5y ago
    Also I don't think there ever were physical audio formats with DRM? CD came out way before piracy was anyone's concern, and then it was too late to change anything. On the other hand, all digital video formats have always had the technical capability for DRM, starting with DVD.
    - dane-pgp 5y ago
      > Also I don't think there ever were physical audio formats with DRM? MiniDiscs had "copy protection"[0] and this format was supported by major record labels[1]. They were first released in 1992. > all digital video formats have always had the technical capability for DRM, starting with DVD. By starting with DVD, you're skipping the DRM-free formats of Betamax, VHS, and LaserDisc then? Unless by "had the technical capability for" you mean "could be later extended to add", in which case there was Macrovision[2] for VHS, but also Extended Copy Protection[3] for CDs, also known as "the Sony rootkit". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniDisc#Copy_protection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniDisc#Copy_protection [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MiniDisc_releases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MiniDisc_releases [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_Protection_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_Protection_System [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Copy_Protection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Copy_Protection
      - grishka 5y ago
        > MiniDiscs had "copy protection"[0] and this format was supported by major record labels[1]. From what I can tell, pre-recorded MiniDiscs were never popular. People bought blank ones and recorded their own pirated mp3s on there. But, yes, that makes me technically wrong with my first comment because it is a physical audio format that has the technical capability for DRM. > By starting with DVD, you're skipping the DRM-free formats of Betamax, VHS, and LaserDisc then? They're all analog and so you can't make an exact copy. At least not without obscenely expensive studio-grade equipment. Yes, that didn't stop people from making copies of VHS tapes, and yes, you could tell how many times it was copied by the picture quality.
      - 5y ago