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Doing good journalism is hard. Yes, the NYT sucks, but they do good reporting too. And this article is very good, so if you want to complain about how bad the N
by gizmo 6y ago
Doing good journalism is hard. Yes, the NYT sucks, but they do good reporting too. And this article is very good, so if you want to complain about how bad the NYT is maybe reserve that criticism for those times when a bad article from the NYT hits the front page.
- imwillofficial 6y agoNah, a reminder of how bad the NYT is, is always a good reminder. NYT isn’t guilty of making mistakes, they are guilty of spreading lies. To frame their deception as an honest mistake, is deceptive in and of itself.
- AlexandrB 6y agoI wish these kinds of vitriolic posts cited some specific instances and sourced their claims. Otherwise I'm left to Google "NYT bad" to try to corroborate any of it.
- throwitaway1235 6y agoAnd imagine if Google is in bed with corporate media, vice versa? Good luck searching for examples.
- AlexandrB 6y agoSo what you're saying it that's it's utterly essential for the posters complaining about The NY Times to source their claims? Why don't they do it then?
- throwitaway1235 6y agoOh no. I was just making a random philosophical point. Nothing really to read into. Just that it would be difficult to find examples of organization x criticism, using organization y, if both x & y are partners.
- textgel 6y agoThey do, however those comments with links to evidence all seem to get flagged for some very strange reason.
- splithalf 6y agoIt’s common knowledge amongst most educated people. Sorry if you had to find out by googling. Probably a sickening feeling if you’ve been a subscriber or passed along any of their retracted news as fact. I too used to trust the nyt, but “show me incentive and I’ll show you the outcome.”
- jhgb 6y agoThe "common knowledge amongst most educated people" is this: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/static-mbc/ https://www.adfontesmedia.com/static-mbc/
- timeschange 6y agoBari Weiss's resignation letter from the NYT is probably the best place to start https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter Matt Taibbi has a good article on this too https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-news-media-is-destroying-itself https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-news-media-is-destroying-i... Glenn Greenwald talks about this on his Substack a lot, too, and the malpractice of the larger media as a whole. This recent and highly topical Twitter thread is one of many examples. https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1383767882668986376 https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/138376788266898...
- HWR_14 6y agoBari Weiss was an opinion writer. Maybe this explains Fox News's success, but are you unable to tell the difference between opinion and news? But yes, when an opinion writer has unpopular opinions, they are often let go.
- imwillofficial 6y ago::sets up easily beatable strawman, ignores everything else:: “See! I won!” Quote from article: “There, some coworkers insist I need to be rooted out if this company is to be a truly “inclusive” one, while others post ax emojis next to my name.” Yeah that’s not threatening at all. Totally professional.
- berniemadoff99 6y agonews is ultimately someone's opinion that something is 'news' in the first place. i went to mcdonalds earlier - is that news? i guarantee you vice.com could come up with some kind of news story about bored 30-somethings with nothing better to do during the pandemic than go to mcdonalds as a way to take a break from the internet. does that make it news though, just because a news site says its news? something can be news somewhere [0], and not news somewhere else [1]. [0] https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/ https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden... [1] https://i.imgur.com/OQYuZve.png https://i.imgur.com/OQYuZve.png
- fortran77 6y agoI have the same reasoning. The NY Times has done some awful things, and they have some biases that are offensive to me. But I am a paid subscriber! (As I am with the WSJ). Why? It's a much better source, even with the faults, than all that "free" journalism that the Hacker News people seem to like so much.
- splithalf 6y agoYou get the future you pay for!
- fortran77 6y agoMaybe so, but the future we don't pay for is splogs, misleading websites, paid "astroturf" efforts, etc. I'd rather have the devil I know.
- textgel 6y agoI'd not like to see this response go unanswered; I'm the first to attack these organisations for the damage they do and I've long abandoned reading them, having written them off for the damage they've already done. But I can respect honest acknowledgement of the bad while arguing the good side is worth staying. You'll (obvs) have a better perspective as a subscriber and given you can approach the thing with nuance I'm willing to go with your take on it.
- colinmhayes 6y agoAnd I guess you get a future full of clickbait in the race to the bottom that is journalism that no one pays for.
- zarkov99 6y agoOn the contrary. I believe the NYT to be harmful to the US because of the division and self loathing it so energetically pursues, mostly through fabrication, intimidation and slander. The brand is well on its way to complete bankruptcy, as more and more Americans realize their corruption. I for one, will do what I can to speed that process up by pointing out their hypocrisy every opportunity I get. Hopefully one day the NYT will be so toxic that no reasonable person will want to be caught reading it or writing for it. Maybe then something better can take its place.
- slibhb 6y agoI basically agree with you. But the fact that the NYT is "bad for America" doesn't mean this article exploring the slander industry is bad or wrong, only a bit ironic.
- zarkov99 6y agoYou are right, the article is not bad just because it came from the NYT. There are still the occasional useful piece, though Always and only on safe or inconsequential matters. But the bad far outweighs any good. At any rate, irony is precisely what I pointed out.