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You can't really make a learning system that doesn't play. Physical play is how we train, develop and calibrate our bodies; mental play does the same for our m

You can't really make a learning system that doesn't play. Physical play is how we train, develop and calibrate our bodies; mental play does the same for our minds. If we one day build AGI that doesn't skip and dance and draw and make up silly stories for the fun of it, that will surprise me a lot more than the other way around.

visarga 6y ago
> If we one day build AGI that doesn't skip and dance and draw and make up silly stories for the fun of it, that will surprise me a lot more than the other way around. I agree, it would be sad if AI wasn't able to play with human culture. Culture is crystallized intelligence.
bserge 6y ago
It wouldn't need to skip and dance, though. Mental play is just randomly trying to piece together different information and see the results (physical play is simpler, a subset of mental play, basically continuous calibration). It's like having 12 puzzle sets and just taking pieces from each, trying to fit them with others and seeing the results. Sometimes something interesting shows up. Our brains do it constantly, all the time, 24/7. Most often the results are garbage and discarded, but sometimes something interesting/useful comes out, so it's tagged as such and stored for further processing. The data used for such play is everything we have stored in memory, recalled either randomly or, more often, based on current circumstances/needs/wants. An AGI would only play with what it has. And what it has available would be up to the creators. If it's built to imitate a human, it will have to be loaded with the same data as a human. And I mean all of it, everything from birth to current age or death (that varies a lot by individual, by the way). Basically, you'd have to recreate a whole human life's experience for this hypothetical AGI. Otherwise it won't be even close to a human. But such an advanced AI would most likely be built for specific purposes, which would save a lot of resources. It can play all it wants with that limited data, improve it and create new stuff. But it won't be able to do things like applying information from bird flight to car building, because it will simply not have that data. Just my musings.

visarga 6y ago

> If we one day build AGI that doesn't skip and dance and draw and make up silly stories for the fun of it, that will surprise me a lot more than the other way around. I agree, it would be sad if AI wasn't able to play with human culture. Culture is crystallized intelligence.

bserge 6y ago

It wouldn't need to skip and dance, though. Mental play is just randomly trying to piece together different information and see the results (physical play is simpler, a subset of mental play, basically continuous calibration). It's like having 12 puzzle sets and just taking pieces from each, trying to fit them with others and seeing the results. Sometimes something interesting shows up. Our brains do it constantly, all the time, 24/7. Most often the results are garbage and discarded, but sometimes something interesting/useful comes out, so it's tagged as such and stored for further processing. The data used for such play is everything we have stored in memory, recalled either randomly or, more often, based on current circumstances/needs/wants. An AGI would only play with what it has. And what it has available would be up to the creators. If it's built to imitate a human, it will have to be loaded with the same data as a human. And I mean all of it, everything from birth to current age or death (that varies a lot by individual, by the way). Basically, you'd have to recreate a whole human life's experience for this hypothetical AGI. Otherwise it won't be even close to a human. But such an advanced AI would most likely be built for specific purposes, which would save a lot of resources. It can play all it wants with that limited data, improve it and create new stuff. But it won't be able to do things like applying information from bird flight to car building, because it will simply not have that data. Just my musings.