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I think there is something to be applauded about people who genuinely apologize even though they can't see things from the other person's point of view. They d

I think there is something to be applauded about people who genuinely apologize even though they can't see things from the other person's point of view. They didn't decide to conduct this research on a whim. They had full approval of their university ethics board as well. They published a paper and had it peer reviewed without (as far as I know) anyone immediately calling for their heads. They can't immediately turn heel face and believe their actions are wrong, always were wrong, and the wrongness should have been obvious to them. Yet, despite this they recognize the hurt they've caused and are genuinely apologetic and will never do it again. Asking them to dismantle their world view in a week is a bit much, even criminals are given a few years of quiet contemplation before being asked to tell a parole board they have changed their hearts and minds.

Ygg2 6y ago
That only tells me, that there's more garbage than just one individual. If they lack knowledge of why it was bad, what will prevent them from doing another garbage study next time.
- burnished 6y ago
  This incident, time, and reflection.
  - Ygg2 6y ago
    But their self-relfection, and I say basic ethics is severely lacking. This study could have been done with consent, with limited bias, but they chose to go the idiot route.
pxc 6y ago
They only sought approval from the ethics board after the fact IIRC
neatze 6y ago
This paper had multiple issues that they where aware of before the ban, original ban email indicates that complaint was made before to there's university, on twitter feed one of the researchers stated that IEEE received also complaint regarding ethics of the paper, way before ban.