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Of course security folks who stand to profit from selling these password management solutions will insist that these solutions are important... After all, like

Of course security folks who stand to profit from selling these password management solutions will insist that these solutions are important... After all, like you say, their whole career depends on selling 'security products' to companies and individuals. This kind of argument would never stand up in court because of conflict of interests. About the edit, the meaning of my comment hasn't changed. I just removed the phrase "the concept doesn't make any sense" and expanded it to explain why it doesn't make any sense... It's dishonest to say that I've made an outrageous claim or changed the meaning of the comment in any way. But it's good that expanding my reasoning has led you to reconsider the validity of your argument.

scrollaway 5y ago
> But it's good that expanding my reasoning has led you to reconsider the validity of your argument. What I meant is that my first sentence, which references something you removed from your original comment, sounds very out of context now. And no, none of the folks I'm thinking of actually make money from password management solutions. Your comment sounds the same as "of course all those doctors would recommend getting vaccinated since they make a profit from selling you the vaccines". Please, just stop.
- cryptica 5y ago
  >> And no, none of the folks I'm thinking of actually make money from password management solutions. Not directly, but maybe their peers do. If your buddy works at Facebook, you're not going to say bad things about Facebook's business. It also applies to some extent if it's your friend's friend; group-think is a powerful effect. >> Your comment sounds the same as "of course all those doctors would recommend getting vaccinated since they make a profit from selling you the vaccines". Well of course that's a factor to consider. The medical industry is not immune to ulterior motives. For example, doctors have been known for over-prescribing opioids and many people actually died as a result. I'm pretty sure all these doctors thought they were doing the right thing; all their colleagues were also prescribing the same drugs. Also many drugs which received FDA approval were later found to be unsafe, caused birth defects, deaths etc... It's foolish to suggest that anything is 100% safe and ulterior motives will certainly have a negative effect on safety.
  - scrollaway 5y ago
    I have several buddies who work at Facebook and i think Facebook is evil and one of the worst companies to work for in tech. They know my stance on it, now you do too, and I've disproven your opening argument. I didn't mention opioids did i? I'm going to ignore further comments from you in this thread because this has all the hallmarks of a bad faith discussion. Assuming that's not your intention, maybe do some introspection on why that is.
jachee 5y ago
Who stands to profit from FOSS, self-hosted password management solutions (e.g. Keepass) then? Generating long, high-entropy, unique passwords and then not relying on your brain to remember (and your fingers to type) is always going to be more secure than doing it the hard way for its own sake.

scrollaway 5y ago

> But it's good that expanding my reasoning has led you to reconsider the validity of your argument. What I meant is that my first sentence, which references something you removed from your original comment, sounds very out of context now. And no, none of the folks I'm thinking of actually make money from password management solutions. Your comment sounds the same as "of course all those doctors would recommend getting vaccinated since they make a profit from selling you the vaccines". Please, just stop.

cryptica 5y ago
>> And no, none of the folks I'm thinking of actually make money from password management solutions. Not directly, but maybe their peers do. If your buddy works at Facebook, you're not going to say bad things about Facebook's business. It also applies to some extent if it's your friend's friend; group-think is a powerful effect. >> Your comment sounds the same as "of course all those doctors would recommend getting vaccinated since they make a profit from selling you the vaccines". Well of course that's a factor to consider. The medical industry is not immune to ulterior motives. For example, doctors have been known for over-prescribing opioids and many people actually died as a result. I'm pretty sure all these doctors thought they were doing the right thing; all their colleagues were also prescribing the same drugs. Also many drugs which received FDA approval were later found to be unsafe, caused birth defects, deaths etc... It's foolish to suggest that anything is 100% safe and ulterior motives will certainly have a negative effect on safety.
- scrollaway 5y ago
  I have several buddies who work at Facebook and i think Facebook is evil and one of the worst companies to work for in tech. They know my stance on it, now you do too, and I've disproven your opening argument. I didn't mention opioids did i? I'm going to ignore further comments from you in this thread because this has all the hallmarks of a bad faith discussion. Assuming that's not your intention, maybe do some introspection on why that is.

jachee 5y ago

Who stands to profit from FOSS, self-hosted password management solutions (e.g. Keepass) then? Generating long, high-entropy, unique passwords and then not relying on your brain to remember (and your fingers to type) is always going to be more secure than doing it the hard way for its own sake.