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So, how do you feel about LulzSec's recent op against Arizona?

pasbesoin 15y ago
I was thinking particularly of their resistance to recording their public interactions and activities. Also of their continued resistance in some cases to full recording/recordkeeping of interviews. And of ingrained institutional attitudes of opaqueness with respect to their own activities, even when such activities themselves apparently or clearly violate the law. E.g. the recent "blue wall" regarding the apparently unwarranted beating of protesters in Toronto. I'll add that my concern doesn't just focus on the lower echelons of law enforcement. Why have we had so few real investigations, let alone prosecutions, of suspect behavior at higher levels of government and finance? I don't know the details of what LS obtained or released from Arizona. But I wouldn't be surprised if the information includes a number of policies and actions that raise the ire of a significant portion of the public. So, I'd say to law enforcement, if you are so gung ho (as it were) about "people who have nothing to hide, shouldn't worry", then you should start off by practicing it, yourselves. Otherwise, you can say whatever you want: What I observe is (yet another) hypocrite. I try to remain mindful, though, that these institutions (in the U.S., and Canada in the case of my Toronto example) are managed by people whom we, the public, have elected. And they operate within the bounds and requirements of that election process and feedback. So... to those who focus solely on law enforcement as a problem, I'll comment that ultimately, the buck stops with the public. Which can be discouraging. The public, in aggregate, seems to keep clamoring for more of the same. P.S. By way of disclaimer, I'm not devoid of hypocrisy, myself. Including in commenting on a situation in which I am not directly, immediately involved other than as a member of the public. I would prefer that police are able to principally identify as members of the community, rather than members of a fraternity. It seems to me that greater income disparity tends to break this down. For example, in terms of how they go about getting resources, and in removing them from living in the communities they police. But I can't claim any authority or correctness in this observation.
blhack 15y ago
That wasn't a lulzsec op, they said that the info came from an anon, lulz just released it for them.

I was thinking particularly of their resistance to recording their public interactions and activities. Also of their continued resistance in some cases to full recording/recordkeeping of interviews. And of ingrained institutional attitudes of opaqueness with respect to their own activities, even when such activities themselves apparently or clearly violate the law. E.g. the recent "blue wall" regarding the apparently unwarranted beating of protesters in Toronto. I'll add that my concern doesn't just focus on the lower echelons of law enforcement. Why have we had so few real investigations, let alone prosecutions, of suspect behavior at higher levels of government and finance? I don't know the details of what LS obtained or released from Arizona. But I wouldn't be surprised if the information includes a number of policies and actions that raise the ire of a significant portion of the public. So, I'd say to law enforcement, if you are so gung ho (as it were) about "people who have nothing to hide, shouldn't worry", then you should start off by practicing it, yourselves. Otherwise, you can say whatever you want: What I observe is (yet another) hypocrite. I try to remain mindful, though, that these institutions (in the U.S., and Canada in the case of my Toronto example) are managed by people whom we, the public, have elected. And they operate within the bounds and requirements of that election process and feedback. So... to those who focus solely on law enforcement as a problem, I'll comment that ultimately, the buck stops with the public. Which can be discouraging. The public, in aggregate, seems to keep clamoring for more of the same. P.S. By way of disclaimer, I'm not devoid of hypocrisy, myself. Including in commenting on a situation in which I am not directly, immediately involved other than as a member of the public. I would prefer that police are able to principally identify as members of the community, rather than members of a fraternity. It seems to me that greater income disparity tends to break this down. For example, in terms of how they go about getting resources, and in removing them from living in the communities they police. But I can't claim any authority or correctness in this observation.

blhack 15y ago

That wasn't a lulzsec op, they said that the info came from an anon, lulz just released it for them.