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Sure, we have plenty of minerals left ! But where and how much energy you need to extract them. In France we have lithium in Alsace, we could dig-it-up, but it

Sure, we have plenty of minerals left ! But where and how much energy you need to extract them. In France we have lithium in Alsace, we could dig-it-up, but it's really not worth it energy wise and environmentally wise.

ggm 5y ago
http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2010/ph240/eason2/ http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2010/ph240/eason2/
edhelas 5y ago
2010 blog article ? https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2020/09/16/how-long-will-the-lithium-supply-last/ https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2020/09/16/how-long-will-the-lit... > The scenario which assumes 73 Mt of lithium supply left, best policies (recycling, V2G, second-life) implemented and around 3 billion EVs on the road sees lithium fully depleted a few years beyond 2100. If the same policies and number of cars were matched with just 26 Mt of lithium, but recycling efforts would only grow slowly, battery manufacturers will close shops even before 2040.
- ggm 5y ago
  3billion cars. Exhausted at 2010 extraction rates by 2100 so in 80 years not 10, and for 3 billion cars, and that's from resource availability figures from 11 years ago. Please, don't do this. You said 10 years. It's not exhausted in 10 years and a mining report from 2010 doesn't tell you anything in 2021. Mines are developed when economics justify it. Available lithium is huge.
- oblio 5y ago
  Oh, boy! You probably don't want to read about peak oil extraction :-D Oil was supposed to run out in 1865, 1880, 1900, 1920, 1940, 1985, 2005, ... If there's a demand for a specific resource, prices go up and people find a way to extract more of it, if it's present on this planet. And lithium is the 25th most abundant element, so there's a ton more of it than there's oil in the crust.
cortesoft 5y ago
> But where and how much energy you need to extract them Luckily I just read an article about how much energy solar is generating!
_Microft 5y ago
As far as I know lithium extraction from brine is both in development and an area of active research which would allow to tap a lot more lithium resources than previously expected. I remember reading something about a test plant in Cornwall and some similar stuff from Germany as well. Maybe that would help you in France as well?

ggm 5y ago

http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2010/ph240/eason2/ http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2010/ph240/eason2/

edhelas 5y ago

2010 blog article ? https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2020/09/16/how-long-will-the-lithium-supply-last/ https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2020/09/16/how-long-will-the-lit... > The scenario which assumes 73 Mt of lithium supply left, best policies (recycling, V2G, second-life) implemented and around 3 billion EVs on the road sees lithium fully depleted a few years beyond 2100. If the same policies and number of cars were matched with just 26 Mt of lithium, but recycling efforts would only grow slowly, battery manufacturers will close shops even before 2040.

ggm 5y ago
3billion cars. Exhausted at 2010 extraction rates by 2100 so in 80 years not 10, and for 3 billion cars, and that's from resource availability figures from 11 years ago. Please, don't do this. You said 10 years. It's not exhausted in 10 years and a mining report from 2010 doesn't tell you anything in 2021. Mines are developed when economics justify it. Available lithium is huge.
oblio 5y ago
Oh, boy! You probably don't want to read about peak oil extraction :-D Oil was supposed to run out in 1865, 1880, 1900, 1920, 1940, 1985, 2005, ... If there's a demand for a specific resource, prices go up and people find a way to extract more of it, if it's present on this planet. And lithium is the 25th most abundant element, so there's a ton more of it than there's oil in the crust.

cortesoft 5y ago

> But where and how much energy you need to extract them Luckily I just read an article about how much energy solar is generating!

_Microft 5y ago

As far as I know lithium extraction from brine is both in development and an area of active research which would allow to tap a lot more lithium resources than previously expected. I remember reading something about a test plant in Cornwall and some similar stuff from Germany as well. Maybe that would help you in France as well?