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>I don't believe white and black people are on the same footing economically. I agree! I infer you think it has some causal connection with murder rates. I thi

>I don't believe white and black people are on the same footing economically. I agree! I infer you think it has some causal connection with murder rates. I think that's probably true, but that the relationship is weak. Black people in the U.S., while poorer than average compared to the rest of the U.S. population, are some of the richest people in the world in terms of their actual material consumption. There are lots of poorer (and much poorer) populations out there who do not display similar murder rates. I take that as evidence that not being on the same footing economically is probably not a primary driver of the high murder rate among Black Americans. >Do you think we can improve the damage we've done through policing? Yes! Step one is stop causing new damage. I think the easiest way to accomplish this is to end the War on Drugs once and for all. It's the lowest-hanging fruit--a watermelon-sized apple really. We're starting to go down this path as a nation, and it's imperative we keep going down that path. There will be negative effects, but I think the positive effects will greatly outweigh them.

Petrova 6y ago
The vast majority of the murders are from violent gangs. That has a much stronger correlation than skin color
- NoImmatureAdHom 6y ago
  This actually isn't true.[0] If you want to try to paint a picture of the modal murder in the U.S., it's "Young brown man argues with other young brown man about something silly, things escalate, someone pulls out a cheap pistol and shoots the other guy" Gang murders, while profitable fodder for mass media, are a clear minority. 0: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-13.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
- NoImmatureAdHom 6y ago
  And, I should note, "violent gangs" are by definition going to be the gangs committing violence, so that's a circularity in your logic. And I would also wager that there is a very strong correlation between gang membership and skin color, so that's a problem too.

Petrova 6y ago

The vast majority of the murders are from violent gangs. That has a much stronger correlation than skin color

NoImmatureAdHom 6y ago
This actually isn't true.[0] If you want to try to paint a picture of the modal murder in the U.S., it's "Young brown man argues with other young brown man about something silly, things escalate, someone pulls out a cheap pistol and shoots the other guy" Gang murders, while profitable fodder for mass media, are a clear minority. 0: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-13.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
NoImmatureAdHom 6y ago
And, I should note, "violent gangs" are by definition going to be the gangs committing violence, so that's a circularity in your logic. And I would also wager that there is a very strong correlation between gang membership and skin color, so that's a problem too.