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So is Ukraine basically the playground where all of the worlds corrupt elite steal millions? I recall a certain person being hesitant to send US tax dollars th

So is Ukraine basically the playground where all of the worlds corrupt elite steal millions? I recall a certain person being hesitant to send US tax dollars there because of corruption concerns.

crusty 6y ago
> "I recall a certain person being hesitant to send US tax dollars there because of corruption concerns." I think you meant IIRC, but the C is the problem. That certain person had no problem with corruption in Ukraine, it was just that he needed some of it's corruption to act in his favor first. And the jump from the article to "So is Ukraine basically the playground where all of the worlds corrupt elite steal millions?" Is a little (not a little) broad. It's a former Soviet bloc state and this is pretty much table-stakes corruption for those.
bumbada 6y ago
I had a girlfriend that was from Ukraine and visited the country in summer. Ukraine has probably the most fertile soil in the world. Like Egypt it has fed Europe and then Russia for a long time. It is also one of the most corrupt countries in the world, like Russia and China. Most Westerners just can not imagine what corruption is at those levels. For decades the grain was put into trains and half the grain had "disappeared" in destiny. This happens at all levels. Nobody goes there to help the country. Like lots of countries in Africa the big guys (Russia or EU, or USA) go there to plunder the country. It is too rich and too strategic. It is also the playground for big countries to fight. Instead of fighting WWIII and fucking the entire world with radioactive waste, the big guys play on playgrounds like Ukraine their power games. The US does not want Europe to dismantle NATO after it is not necessary anymore where Europe can arm itself. It also does not want Europe and Asia to integrate further because that means the end of USA hegemony in the world. Also the military industrial complex in the US needs a reason to exist. If threats do not exist, they will create them in order to survive or "their money" will be redirected to things like social welfare. Americans need to feel unsafe all the time so they agree to pay for new weapons in new taxes. UE wants to expand to get the wealth of Ukraine resources and Russia does not want to lose them. That is very bad for Ukraine. The people that can, like my ex girlfriend, just leave the country.
- astrange 6y ago
  > Americans need to feel unsafe all the time so they agree to pay for new weapons in new taxes. When is the last time this happened?
  - ed25519FUUU 6y ago
    Syria
    - astrange 6y ago
      What new taxes?

So is Ukraine basically the playground where all of the worlds corrupt elite steal millions? I recall a certain person being hesitant to send US tax dollars there because of corruption concerns.

crusty 6y ago

> "I recall a certain person being hesitant to send US tax dollars there because of corruption concerns." I think you meant IIRC, but the C is the problem. That certain person had no problem with corruption in Ukraine, it was just that he needed some of it's corruption to act in his favor first. And the jump from the article to "So is Ukraine basically the playground where all of the worlds corrupt elite steal millions?" Is a little (not a little) broad. It's a former Soviet bloc state and this is pretty much table-stakes corruption for those.

bumbada 6y ago

I had a girlfriend that was from Ukraine and visited the country in summer. Ukraine has probably the most fertile soil in the world. Like Egypt it has fed Europe and then Russia for a long time. It is also one of the most corrupt countries in the world, like Russia and China. Most Westerners just can not imagine what corruption is at those levels. For decades the grain was put into trains and half the grain had "disappeared" in destiny. This happens at all levels. Nobody goes there to help the country. Like lots of countries in Africa the big guys (Russia or EU, or USA) go there to plunder the country. It is too rich and too strategic. It is also the playground for big countries to fight. Instead of fighting WWIII and fucking the entire world with radioactive waste, the big guys play on playgrounds like Ukraine their power games. The US does not want Europe to dismantle NATO after it is not necessary anymore where Europe can arm itself. It also does not want Europe and Asia to integrate further because that means the end of USA hegemony in the world. Also the military industrial complex in the US needs a reason to exist. If threats do not exist, they will create them in order to survive or "their money" will be redirected to things like social welfare. Americans need to feel unsafe all the time so they agree to pay for new weapons in new taxes. UE wants to expand to get the wealth of Ukraine resources and Russia does not want to lose them. That is very bad for Ukraine. The people that can, like my ex girlfriend, just leave the country.

astrange 6y ago
> Americans need to feel unsafe all the time so they agree to pay for new weapons in new taxes. When is the last time this happened?
- ed25519FUUU 6y ago
  Syria
  - astrange 6y ago
    What new taxes?