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At this point, what about using Zig instead?

by ngrilly 6y ago

dnautics 6y ago
Aside from it being not 1.0 yet, I think this is the right answer for the future.
- crispyalmond 6y ago
  Once Zig hits 1.0 I'll have almost no need for C anymore. I like what I've experienced when developing with Zig, and I think it's neat.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Other than the whole UNIX ecosystem never going to anything else, the embedded vendors and game consoles SDKs, or the SDKs from all major desktop and mobile OSes.
    - dnautics 5y ago
      key phrase in parent's post being "I'll", you can leverage other people's C-based assets from zig very easily.
xiphias2 6y ago
Zig is not compatible with the existing C code base. Also it’s different enough from C that it needs extra training.
- dnautics 6y ago
  > Zig is not compatible with the existing C code base It's actually more compatible with the existing C code base than C is. If you're not familiar: https://andrewkelley.me/post/zig-cc-powerful-drop-in-replacement-gcc-clang.html https://andrewkelley.me/post/zig-cc-powerful-drop-in-replace... and an IRL use case: https://dev.to/kristoff/zig-makes-go-cross-compilation-just-work-29ho https://dev.to/kristoff/zig-makes-go-cross-compilation-just-...
  - xiphias2 6y ago
    ,, zig cc is not the main purpose of the Zig project’’ This doesn’t make me confident that it is well maintained. I”m more interested in how it compiles the Linux kernel, or GNU tools, or any complex C code (and how it performs)
    - dnautics 6y ago
      seriously, are lua and cgo not complex enough for you? if you're worried about maintenance, it's pretty high priority, given that the overall strategy for zig seems like "embrace, extend, and extinguish", with this being a key driver of the "extend" fork of the strategy. If that's not enough for you, it's my plan to later this year put up a bounty to for someone to demonstrate compilation of the BEAM virtual machine with zig cc. That's "basically an operating system".
      - xiphias2 6y ago
        I wrote ,, Zig is not compatible with the existing C code base''. If it doesn't compile Linux, it's a non-starter as an extended version of a C compiler.
        dnautics 5y ago
        by your criterion clang was not "compatible with the existing C code base" for many years, and therefore a "non-starter". History would have proven you wrong.

At this point, what about using Zig instead?

dnautics 6y ago

Aside from it being not 1.0 yet, I think this is the right answer for the future.

crispyalmond 6y ago
Once Zig hits 1.0 I'll have almost no need for C anymore. I like what I've experienced when developing with Zig, and I think it's neat.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Other than the whole UNIX ecosystem never going to anything else, the embedded vendors and game consoles SDKs, or the SDKs from all major desktop and mobile OSes.
  - dnautics 5y ago
    key phrase in parent's post being "I'll", you can leverage other people's C-based assets from zig very easily.

xiphias2 6y ago

Zig is not compatible with the existing C code base. Also it’s different enough from C that it needs extra training.

dnautics 6y ago
> Zig is not compatible with the existing C code base It's actually more compatible with the existing C code base than C is. If you're not familiar: https://andrewkelley.me/post/zig-cc-powerful-drop-in-replacement-gcc-clang.html https://andrewkelley.me/post/zig-cc-powerful-drop-in-replace... and an IRL use case: https://dev.to/kristoff/zig-makes-go-cross-compilation-just-work-29ho https://dev.to/kristoff/zig-makes-go-cross-compilation-just-...
- xiphias2 6y ago
  ,, zig cc is not the main purpose of the Zig project’’ This doesn’t make me confident that it is well maintained. I”m more interested in how it compiles the Linux kernel, or GNU tools, or any complex C code (and how it performs)
  - dnautics 6y ago
    seriously, are lua and cgo not complex enough for you? if you're worried about maintenance, it's pretty high priority, given that the overall strategy for zig seems like "embrace, extend, and extinguish", with this being a key driver of the "extend" fork of the strategy. If that's not enough for you, it's my plan to later this year put up a bounty to for someone to demonstrate compilation of the BEAM virtual machine with zig cc. That's "basically an operating system".
    - xiphias2 6y ago
      I wrote ,, Zig is not compatible with the existing C code base''. If it doesn't compile Linux, it's a non-starter as an extended version of a C compiler.
      - dnautics 5y ago
        by your criterion clang was not "compatible with the existing C code base" for many years, and therefore a "non-starter". History would have proven you wrong.