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> Everything from banks through insurance companies through delivery companies to media groups is owned by people formerly involved with state security. Not th

by murkt 5y ago

> Everything from banks through insurance companies through delivery companies to media groups is owned by people formerly involved with state security. Not the case with Kolomoisky, who was not involved with state security. Generally, Ukrainian oligarchs do not come from state security background.

kgeist 5y ago
Russian oligarchs generally don't come from state security background either. I don't where the OP got that from.
- avrionov 5y ago
  It seems that he was referring to the Bulgarian oligarchs. Some of the early ones were part of the security services or were married to a family members who were involved in security. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilia_Pavlov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilia_Pavlov
bitL 5y ago
Wasn't Kolomoisky one of the oligarchs that backed the overthrow of the previous pro-Russian government as well as financed the current president of Ukraine? I am wondering what went wrong for him with the US, was it just Trump in power instead of a more friendly politician?
- crusty 5y ago
  It seems like this scheme was unraveling before Trump came into office. If it hadn't been, Trump may have proved to be good for him, in driving renewed optimism for domestic steel production and simultaneously stripping regulatory bodies like the EPA of oversight and enforcement capacity. That this scheme was even considered seems like a more general enddictment of the history of US corporate and industrial regulatory oversight... Just put it on the wall next to the SEC and Wall Street, with highlights on Bernie Madoff and the subprime mortgage crisis.
bluetomcat 5y ago
From a Bulgarian perspective what I’ve said holds true. The oligarchs themselves were often picked from prominent nomenklatura families and in spite of not having a background as state security officers, were largely kept responsible for their actions by them. The state security officers had all the information about trade routes, information about all state enterprises and their financial status, etc.
- mobilio 5y ago
  or having relatives to BKP
helge9210 5y ago
> Generally, Ukrainian oligarchs do not come from state security background. Kolomoyskyi is just a smart shark without security or criminal background, Akhmetov has criminal background (Donetsk region), Pinchuk is related to former President Kuchma (indirect Communist party background), Poroshenko has Communist party background, Firtash is a frontman for criminal organization (mastermind fled from Hungary to Moscow).

by murkt 5y ago

kgeist 5y ago

Russian oligarchs generally don't come from state security background either. I don't where the OP got that from.

avrionov 5y ago
It seems that he was referring to the Bulgarian oligarchs. Some of the early ones were part of the security services or were married to a family members who were involved in security. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilia_Pavlov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilia_Pavlov

bitL 5y ago

Wasn't Kolomoisky one of the oligarchs that backed the overthrow of the previous pro-Russian government as well as financed the current president of Ukraine? I am wondering what went wrong for him with the US, was it just Trump in power instead of a more friendly politician?

crusty 5y ago
It seems like this scheme was unraveling before Trump came into office. If it hadn't been, Trump may have proved to be good for him, in driving renewed optimism for domestic steel production and simultaneously stripping regulatory bodies like the EPA of oversight and enforcement capacity. That this scheme was even considered seems like a more general enddictment of the history of US corporate and industrial regulatory oversight... Just put it on the wall next to the SEC and Wall Street, with highlights on Bernie Madoff and the subprime mortgage crisis.

bluetomcat 5y ago

From a Bulgarian perspective what I’ve said holds true. The oligarchs themselves were often picked from prominent nomenklatura families and in spite of not having a background as state security officers, were largely kept responsible for their actions by them. The state security officers had all the information about trade routes, information about all state enterprises and their financial status, etc.

mobilio 5y ago
or having relatives to BKP

helge9210 5y ago

> Generally, Ukrainian oligarchs do not come from state security background. Kolomoyskyi is just a smart shark without security or criminal background, Akhmetov has criminal background (Donetsk region), Pinchuk is related to former President Kuchma (indirect Communist party background), Poroshenko has Communist party background, Firtash is a frontman for criminal organization (mastermind fled from Hungary to Moscow).