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Biden formally recognizes 1915 atrocities against Armenians as genocide

36 points by cwwc 6y ago

carlivar 6y ago
Fulfilling a promise Obama made, and broke. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/511/recognize-armenian-genocide/ https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/p...
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pestatije 6y ago
Cool. Apart from pissing off Erdogan, does this achieve anything useful?
- throwaway4good 6y ago
  Pushes Turkey further into an alliance with Russia and China.
- glial 6y ago
  Re-establishes the US as a country with humanitarian principles
  - Crye 6y ago
    I can't tell if this is being facetious. who cares about the past, when we're still supporting the Saudi's war on Yemen, causing an ongoing famine, or ratcheting up embargoes on Venezuela when their food chain is breaking. I'm not arguing this is not a good thing for the US to recognize, but please.
    - glial 6y ago
      I totally agree about Yemen -- Biden made noises early on about ending support but so far hasn't done much, as far as i know.
  - darkhorse13 6y ago
    Feels very empty when there are so many current humanitarian crises that the USA chooses to sweep under the rug due to various interests.
    - rualca 6y ago
      > Feels very empty when there are so many current humanitarian crises (...) I really don't understand this sort of goalpost-moving. This formal recognition of the Armenian genocide, which goes against the interests of a major NATO ally, is not an empty or even small gesture. Going the whataboutism path does nothing to change the importance of this political position, specially as a clear signal that principles trump opportunism.
- bigcorp-slave 6y ago
  It’s very important that we never take a stand for the principles that make America a shining city on the hill for hundreds of millions of people, and instead cravenly cowtow to dictators and refuse to recognize genocide when it’s politically convenient. If your first response to us doing something that is so clearly an ethical duty is “what’s in it for me?”, you should really think about what kind of a person you are.

36 points by cwwc 6y ago

Fulfilling a promise Obama made, and broke. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/511/recognize-armenian-genocide/ https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/p...

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pestatije 6y ago

Cool. Apart from pissing off Erdogan, does this achieve anything useful?

throwaway4good 6y ago
Pushes Turkey further into an alliance with Russia and China.
glial 6y ago
Re-establishes the US as a country with humanitarian principles
- Crye 6y ago
  I can't tell if this is being facetious. who cares about the past, when we're still supporting the Saudi's war on Yemen, causing an ongoing famine, or ratcheting up embargoes on Venezuela when their food chain is breaking. I'm not arguing this is not a good thing for the US to recognize, but please.
  - glial 6y ago
    I totally agree about Yemen -- Biden made noises early on about ending support but so far hasn't done much, as far as i know.
- darkhorse13 6y ago
  Feels very empty when there are so many current humanitarian crises that the USA chooses to sweep under the rug due to various interests.
  - rualca 6y ago
    > Feels very empty when there are so many current humanitarian crises (...) I really don't understand this sort of goalpost-moving. This formal recognition of the Armenian genocide, which goes against the interests of a major NATO ally, is not an empty or even small gesture. Going the whataboutism path does nothing to change the importance of this political position, specially as a clear signal that principles trump opportunism.
bigcorp-slave 6y ago
It’s very important that we never take a stand for the principles that make America a shining city on the hill for hundreds of millions of people, and instead cravenly cowtow to dictators and refuse to recognize genocide when it’s politically convenient. If your first response to us doing something that is so clearly an ethical duty is “what’s in it for me?”, you should really think about what kind of a person you are.