3 ms·

I think the article uses an odd way to frame it. To me, a rate should be measured in "people per year" or "people per year normalized by population size". Meanw

I think the article uses an odd way to frame it. To me, a rate should be measured in "people per year" or "people per year normalized by population size". Meanwhile the article is using the word "rate" to refer to what is actually the ratio between two different rates. The FBI stats seem to back up the above commenter (however one would expect policing biases to be reflected in their statistics). If you compare a random white person[1] and a random black person, the black person is ~5x more likely to be murdered by someone of the same race[2]. Even though the absolute number of murders is about the same, the population sizes are very different, which lines up with one group being disproportionately represented in arrests[3] 1: It's worth noting that the FBI stats lump most Hispanic/Latino people under 'white', I'm not sure if the numbers would look different if you used the colloquial definition of 'white' 2: 0.001% chance of being murdered per year vs a .006% chance 3: If anything I think that's proof of of institutional racism's impact. I'm guessing the disparity is really just showing income inequality

commentingbadly 6y ago
> The FBI stats Is there a Goodwin's Law for citing FBI statistics yet? > I'm not sure if the numbers would look different if you used the colloquial definition of 'white' You say you're not sure, but you seem to be suggesting something. Care to say it out loud? > If anything I think that's proof of of institutional racism's impact. I'm guessing the disparity is really just showing income inequality But, you spent the whole post talking about race, but you really think it is income? I'm confused.
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  >You say you're not sure, but you seem to be suggesting something. Care to say it out loud? I'm suggesting that the fractions might be different but it's a pain to do that math on my phone's calculator while also referring to pages in a web browser so I won't bother. Feel free to run the numbers if you're so inclined and update me! >But, you spent the whole post talking about race, but you really think it is income? I'm confused. I don't think it's controversial to say that racism and classism in the USA are inextricably linked. Sometimes this is even enforced via laws (a common example being the disparity in sentencing guidelines for crack vs other forms of cocaine). >Is there a Goodwin's Law for citing FBI statistics yet Don't make bad faith attempts to invoke Godwin's law. I cited FBI statistics because you used them first in your own comment.

commentingbadly 6y ago

> The FBI stats Is there a Goodwin's Law for citing FBI statistics yet? > I'm not sure if the numbers would look different if you used the colloquial definition of 'white' You say you're not sure, but you seem to be suggesting something. Care to say it out loud? > If anything I think that's proof of of institutional racism's impact. I'm guessing the disparity is really just showing income inequality But, you spent the whole post talking about race, but you really think it is income? I'm confused.

Rebelgecko 6y ago
>You say you're not sure, but you seem to be suggesting something. Care to say it out loud? I'm suggesting that the fractions might be different but it's a pain to do that math on my phone's calculator while also referring to pages in a web browser so I won't bother. Feel free to run the numbers if you're so inclined and update me! >But, you spent the whole post talking about race, but you really think it is income? I'm confused. I don't think it's controversial to say that racism and classism in the USA are inextricably linked. Sometimes this is even enforced via laws (a common example being the disparity in sentencing guidelines for crack vs other forms of cocaine). >Is there a Goodwin's Law for citing FBI statistics yet Don't make bad faith attempts to invoke Godwin's law. I cited FBI statistics because you used them first in your own comment.