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Biden has recently declared his intention to have the US formally recognize the Armenian Genocide.

throwawaymylove 6y ago
I wonder when the US will fully recognize the North American Native Genocide and build a monument in DC - hopefully in proportion to the monument in NYC.
- habibur 6y ago
  I have bad feeling Turkey's president might go that route and bring it up as a retaliation.
  - hh3k0 6y ago
    Two times genocide awareness for the price of one, so to speak? I'll take it. Erdogan wouldn't have noble motives if he'd bring it up now, that much is clear -- but for once something worthwhile may stem from his ill intentions.
  - JadeNB 6y ago
    What's so bad about it? Retaliatory historical honesty is a price I'm happy to pay. Better to have the stories told somewhere out there in the world, no matter the reason.
  - frostburg 6y ago
    Very possible but deeply misguided. The US government for all its faults isn't a dictator that has to posture against internal dissent AND most americans don't care.
  - enriquto 6y ago
    > I have bad feeling Turkey's president might go that route and bring it up as a retaliation. That would be a great turn of events for Turkey, Armenia, the U.S. and the world! The U.S. would have the opportunity to respond in kind, acknowledge the North American Genocide, pay reparations for it, and pressure other countries to do the corresponding thing with a very clean face.
    - lupire 6y ago
      The North American Genocide is taught in our history books. It's not suppressed.
    - stjohnswarts 6y ago
      You can find out all you want about the genocide of Native Americans (literal tomes of knowledge), it's not hidden. It's not taught as well as it should be in our history books, but you don't get throw in jail referencing it either or threatened with sanctions or ending treaties.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > I have bad feeling Turkey's president might go that route and bring it up as a retaliation. Erdogan explicitly threatened to do so last year: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/erdogan-trump-turkey-us-armenian-genocide-native-americans-a9249101.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/erdogan... Probably a more effective threat when used against a government whose most senior sub-Presidential official dealing with Native American issues isn’t a Native American who has herself explicitly called out the genocide while serving in Congress. At this point, it is kind of like threatening to “acknowledge” that the US has a continuing history of systematic racism against Blacks. It’s true, and a negative, but not exsactly the kind of thing the present government has any problem acknowledging, so its not exactly a useful threat.
- meristohm 6y ago
  That would be a huge and vulnerable step for my government. So much of the dominant cultural mythology is build on righteous taking from others. “I was just following orders [from God]” is an unhealthy excuse. Hopefully we shift our thinking about life on earth. I found helpful the 2021 April 15 episode of the podcast How to Save a Planet, as they discuss the history of protecting oil pipelines and end with ways we might change towards consuming less fuel while still enjoying a high quality of life.
dragonwriter 6y ago
responding to an inappropriately-flagged response: > I wonder when the US will fully recognize the North American Native Genocide and build a monument in DC - hopefully in proportion to the monument in NYC. I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened fairly soon. The current Governor of California recognized it explicitly as genocide in 2019, as did the current Secretary of the Interior, while she was in Congress (and before she was appointed the first Native American to serve in a Presidential cabinet.) That acknowledgement is no longer a universal taboo in the American political establishment, especially for the party currently in power.

I wonder when the US will fully recognize the North American Native Genocide and build a monument in DC - hopefully in proportion to the monument in NYC.

habibur 6y ago
I have bad feeling Turkey's president might go that route and bring it up as a retaliation.
- hh3k0 6y ago
  Two times genocide awareness for the price of one, so to speak? I'll take it. Erdogan wouldn't have noble motives if he'd bring it up now, that much is clear -- but for once something worthwhile may stem from his ill intentions.
- JadeNB 6y ago
  What's so bad about it? Retaliatory historical honesty is a price I'm happy to pay. Better to have the stories told somewhere out there in the world, no matter the reason.
- frostburg 6y ago
  Very possible but deeply misguided. The US government for all its faults isn't a dictator that has to posture against internal dissent AND most americans don't care.
- enriquto 6y ago
  > I have bad feeling Turkey's president might go that route and bring it up as a retaliation. That would be a great turn of events for Turkey, Armenia, the U.S. and the world! The U.S. would have the opportunity to respond in kind, acknowledge the North American Genocide, pay reparations for it, and pressure other countries to do the corresponding thing with a very clean face.
  - lupire 6y ago
    The North American Genocide is taught in our history books. It's not suppressed.
  - stjohnswarts 6y ago
    You can find out all you want about the genocide of Native Americans (literal tomes of knowledge), it's not hidden. It's not taught as well as it should be in our history books, but you don't get throw in jail referencing it either or threatened with sanctions or ending treaties.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > I have bad feeling Turkey's president might go that route and bring it up as a retaliation. Erdogan explicitly threatened to do so last year: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/erdogan-trump-turkey-us-armenian-genocide-native-americans-a9249101.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/erdogan... Probably a more effective threat when used against a government whose most senior sub-Presidential official dealing with Native American issues isn’t a Native American who has herself explicitly called out the genocide while serving in Congress. At this point, it is kind of like threatening to “acknowledge” that the US has a continuing history of systematic racism against Blacks. It’s true, and a negative, but not exsactly the kind of thing the present government has any problem acknowledging, so its not exactly a useful threat.
meristohm 6y ago
That would be a huge and vulnerable step for my government. So much of the dominant cultural mythology is build on righteous taking from others. “I was just following orders [from God]” is an unhealthy excuse. Hopefully we shift our thinking about life on earth. I found helpful the 2021 April 15 episode of the podcast How to Save a Planet, as they discuss the history of protecting oil pipelines and end with ways we might change towards consuming less fuel while still enjoying a high quality of life.

dragonwriter 6y ago

responding to an inappropriately-flagged response: > I wonder when the US will fully recognize the North American Native Genocide and build a monument in DC - hopefully in proportion to the monument in NYC. I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened fairly soon. The current Governor of California recognized it explicitly as genocide in 2019, as did the current Secretary of the Interior, while she was in Congress (and before she was appointed the first Native American to serve in a Presidential cabinet.) That acknowledgement is no longer a universal taboo in the American political establishment, especially for the party currently in power.