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Interestingly this is the second article I’ve seen today about Armenia: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/24/armenia-azerbaijan-war-nagorno-karabakh-aftermath/

Interestingly this is the second article I’ve seen today about Armenia: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/24/armenia-azerbaijan-war-nagorno-karabakh-aftermath/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/24/armenia-azerbaijan-war-...

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docdeek 5y ago
It is (at least in France) Armenian Genocide Rememberence Day. It could be a reason there are a few different Armenian stories out there.
- 29athrowaway 5y ago
  Does France have a "Rememberence" day for this too? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Rif_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_use_of_chemical_weapon...
  - enriquto 5y ago
    Unfortunately, not. And neither Spain does, which is a shame. What is the point of your question?
    - 29athrowaway 5y ago
      France is always pontificating about "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" and all that kumbaya stuff (which are great ideas, btw), but in practice, some of what they've done in their colonies and their behavior in conflicts is questionable af. I went to an Argelian restaurant some time ago, and the guy there told me that historically, French soldiers demanded that Argelian women have sex with them, and if they refused they would cut their faces. "Liberté, égalité, fraternité".
      - enriquto 5y ago
        I agree that the French state is extremely hypocritical in its self-righteousness towards other countries. That does not make the Turkish state any less evil in its denying of the Armenian genocide. And while hypocritical, it is not wrong that the French pressure the Turks to acknowledge their genocide. I would be happy also if France acknowledged all its wrongdoings in Africa as well.
        BrandoElFollito 5y ago
        OTOH everyone fought with everyone over the last whatever years. It got more efficient with time but the basic "we hate them" was always here. As a French I do not expect Spain, England, Germany, Italy, Sweden, let me think, Mongolia and others to apologize because we were the same. Let's not pretend that humanity has changed and just enjoy our lifes without keeping a list of who apologized and who not. Of course if France was too claim today that we did not do do anything wrong in Africa or elsewhere that would be outrageous. This does not mean that we will send a sorry letter to 120 countries. I am married to a non-French, have plenty of friends in Germany (whose family fought in the war where my relatives were killed) and I do not give a fuck about what happened 70 years ago when discussing football with someone my age.
        mbg721 5y ago
        Americans are rightly ridiculed for going on vacation to Europe and saying "Oh, I'm French/German/Irish/Whatever!" just for having a surname of that nationality. I don't see any point in holding those same people accountable for past state sins.
        enriquto 5y ago
        > holding those same people accountable for past state sins. Nobody wants any person to be accountable for past sins of any state. The idea is that the state itself be accountable, which is a very different thing.
AdmiralAsshat 5y ago
Biden has recently declared his intention to have the US formally recognize the Armenian Genocide.
- throwawaymylove 5y ago
  I wonder when the US will fully recognize the North American Native Genocide and build a monument in DC - hopefully in proportion to the monument in NYC.
  - habibur 5y ago
    I have bad feeling Turkey's president might go that route and bring it up as a retaliation.
    - hh3k0 5y ago
      Two times genocide awareness for the price of one, so to speak? I'll take it. Erdogan wouldn't have noble motives if he'd bring it up now, that much is clear -- but for once something worthwhile may stem from his ill intentions.
    - JadeNB 5y ago
      What's so bad about it? Retaliatory historical honesty is a price I'm happy to pay. Better to have the stories told somewhere out there in the world, no matter the reason.
    - frostburg 5y ago
      Very possible but deeply misguided. The US government for all its faults isn't a dictator that has to posture against internal dissent AND most americans don't care.
    - enriquto 5y ago
      > I have bad feeling Turkey's president might go that route and bring it up as a retaliation. That would be a great turn of events for Turkey, Armenia, the U.S. and the world! The U.S. would have the opportunity to respond in kind, acknowledge the North American Genocide, pay reparations for it, and pressure other countries to do the corresponding thing with a very clean face.
sorokod 5y ago
Probably related: "Biden tells Erdogan he plans to recognise Armenian ‘genocide’" https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/23/biden-tells-erdogan-he-plans-to-recognise-armenian-genocide https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/23/biden-tells-erdogan...
KenanuReeves 5y ago
Today is the Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_Remembrance_Day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_Remembrance_...

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docdeek 5y ago

It is (at least in France) Armenian Genocide Rememberence Day. It could be a reason there are a few different Armenian stories out there.

29athrowaway 5y ago
Does France have a "Rememberence" day for this too? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Rif_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_use_of_chemical_weapon...
- enriquto 5y ago
  Unfortunately, not. And neither Spain does, which is a shame. What is the point of your question?
  - 29athrowaway 5y ago
    France is always pontificating about "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" and all that kumbaya stuff (which are great ideas, btw), but in practice, some of what they've done in their colonies and their behavior in conflicts is questionable af. I went to an Argelian restaurant some time ago, and the guy there told me that historically, French soldiers demanded that Argelian women have sex with them, and if they refused they would cut their faces. "Liberté, égalité, fraternité".
    - enriquto 5y ago
      I agree that the French state is extremely hypocritical in its self-righteousness towards other countries. That does not make the Turkish state any less evil in its denying of the Armenian genocide. And while hypocritical, it is not wrong that the French pressure the Turks to acknowledge their genocide. I would be happy also if France acknowledged all its wrongdoings in Africa as well.
      - BrandoElFollito 5y ago
        OTOH everyone fought with everyone over the last whatever years. It got more efficient with time but the basic "we hate them" was always here. As a French I do not expect Spain, England, Germany, Italy, Sweden, let me think, Mongolia and others to apologize because we were the same. Let's not pretend that humanity has changed and just enjoy our lifes without keeping a list of who apologized and who not. Of course if France was too claim today that we did not do do anything wrong in Africa or elsewhere that would be outrageous. This does not mean that we will send a sorry letter to 120 countries. I am married to a non-French, have plenty of friends in Germany (whose family fought in the war where my relatives were killed) and I do not give a fuck about what happened 70 years ago when discussing football with someone my age.
        mbg721 5y ago
        Americans are rightly ridiculed for going on vacation to Europe and saying "Oh, I'm French/German/Irish/Whatever!" just for having a surname of that nationality. I don't see any point in holding those same people accountable for past state sins.
        enriquto 5y ago
        > holding those same people accountable for past state sins. Nobody wants any person to be accountable for past sins of any state. The idea is that the state itself be accountable, which is a very different thing.

AdmiralAsshat 5y ago

Biden has recently declared his intention to have the US formally recognize the Armenian Genocide.

throwawaymylove 5y ago
I wonder when the US will fully recognize the North American Native Genocide and build a monument in DC - hopefully in proportion to the monument in NYC.
- habibur 5y ago
  I have bad feeling Turkey's president might go that route and bring it up as a retaliation.
  - hh3k0 5y ago
    Two times genocide awareness for the price of one, so to speak? I'll take it. Erdogan wouldn't have noble motives if he'd bring it up now, that much is clear -- but for once something worthwhile may stem from his ill intentions.
  - JadeNB 5y ago
    What's so bad about it? Retaliatory historical honesty is a price I'm happy to pay. Better to have the stories told somewhere out there in the world, no matter the reason.
  - frostburg 5y ago
    Very possible but deeply misguided. The US government for all its faults isn't a dictator that has to posture against internal dissent AND most americans don't care.
  - enriquto 5y ago
    > I have bad feeling Turkey's president might go that route and bring it up as a retaliation. That would be a great turn of events for Turkey, Armenia, the U.S. and the world! The U.S. would have the opportunity to respond in kind, acknowledge the North American Genocide, pay reparations for it, and pressure other countries to do the corresponding thing with a very clean face.

sorokod 5y ago

Probably related: "Biden tells Erdogan he plans to recognise Armenian ‘genocide’" https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/23/biden-tells-erdogan-he-plans-to-recognise-armenian-genocide https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/23/biden-tells-erdogan...

KenanuReeves 5y ago

Today is the Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_Remembrance_Day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_Remembrance_...