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As a guy born in Turkey I’m happy that this is finally getting the recognition it deserves. On the other hand, finding any neutral resource about the First Wor

As a guy born in Turkey I’m happy that this is finally getting the recognition it deserves. On the other hand, finding any neutral resource about the First World War in Turkey is hard to come by. The best resource I’ve found so far is written by a German General called Otto Liman von Sanders, he wrote a book called “Five Years in Turkey” [0] talking about 1913 - 1918. It at least has some parts on the events which will end up in the Armenian Genocide and the hate against Greece and Greeks. Sorry to digress but it’s important to mention that, the hate against Greeks will take an ugly turn in 1955 [1] [0] https://www.amazon.com/Five-Years-Turkey-Liman-Sanders/dp/184574215X https://www.amazon.com/Five-Years-Turkey-Liman-Sanders/dp/18... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_pogrom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_pogrom It seems the downvote army has arrived. Take note my troll friends: You can’t hide the truth, it will come out. Do not take part in enabling people who cause human suffering.

throwaway_isms 5y ago
>Sorry to digress but it’s important to mention that, the hate against Greeks will take an ugly turn in 1955 Almost no one is aware there has been constant armed conflict between the Greeks and Turks in Cypress for over 100 years on ethnic grounds. This includes genocide, terrorism, massacres, kidnappings, executions, and mass graves
- kyriakos 5y ago
  *Cyprus
FiatLuxDave 5y ago
I don't know if you would take this as a neutral resource, but if you are interested in this subject, you may find the writings of Henry Morgenthau Sr. interesting. He was the U.S. Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire during the period when the USA was neutral in WWI. He also happened to be a friend of my great-grandfather. In particular I would recommend "I was sent to Athens" (link: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL6734490M/I_was_sent_to_Athens https://openlibrary.org/books/OL6734490M/I_was_sent_to_Athen...) and the section on the 1922 Izmir Fire.
belgesel 5y ago
I want to know what will this recognition does to your own country both in short and long term. Will Turkey pay a fee for the genocide or will they have to just give up from Ağrı? This subject was always used against Turkey in political confrontations for years. Turkey has been better and stronger ally to USA. This recognition is nothing but a political warning against Erdoğan and his latest actions against USA and also this will make Armenian residents in USA happy. IMHO nothing will change for us (Turkish and Armenian folks living in Turkey), don’t know about Armenians living in Armenia. So why are you happy?
- ismaildonmez 5y ago
  > So why are you happy? Because I don’t care if I come from country X, atrocities all around the world have been committed, and still being committed. People have to be responsible for this suffering, we shouldn’t be able to shout “Fake News!” to everything and get away with it.
  - belgesel 5y ago
    I think people need another 100 years to forget about it. It's just a toy in the hands of politicians. And now they choose to use it against Turkey. Some day this whole thing will be forgotten. Nobody living today are responsible or should be responsible for it.
    - orestarod 5y ago
      That's what baffles me. If no one today is responsible, why does the present Turkish state deny the facts? My take is, because they are fine with the genocide and do not wish to denounce it, the first step of which is admitting it happened. The authoritarian nature of the Turkish state is nothing new and taking away glory from the imperialism of the past will hurt the legitimacy of their future plans.
    - ismaildonmez 5y ago
      It doesn’t work that way though, Turkey took over debts of Ottoman Empire for a reason, this is the same.
joelbluminator 5y ago
This is pretty recent and got good reviews https://www.amazon.com/Thirty-Year-Genocide-Destruction-Christian-Minorities/dp/067491645X https://www.amazon.com/Thirty-Year-Genocide-Destruction-Chri...

throwaway_isms 5y ago

>Sorry to digress but it’s important to mention that, the hate against Greeks will take an ugly turn in 1955 Almost no one is aware there has been constant armed conflict between the Greeks and Turks in Cypress for over 100 years on ethnic grounds. This includes genocide, terrorism, massacres, kidnappings, executions, and mass graves

kyriakos 5y ago
*Cyprus

FiatLuxDave 5y ago

I don't know if you would take this as a neutral resource, but if you are interested in this subject, you may find the writings of Henry Morgenthau Sr. interesting. He was the U.S. Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire during the period when the USA was neutral in WWI. He also happened to be a friend of my great-grandfather. In particular I would recommend "I was sent to Athens" (link: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL6734490M/I_was_sent_to_Athens https://openlibrary.org/books/OL6734490M/I_was_sent_to_Athen...) and the section on the 1922 Izmir Fire.

belgesel 5y ago

I want to know what will this recognition does to your own country both in short and long term. Will Turkey pay a fee for the genocide or will they have to just give up from Ağrı? This subject was always used against Turkey in political confrontations for years. Turkey has been better and stronger ally to USA. This recognition is nothing but a political warning against Erdoğan and his latest actions against USA and also this will make Armenian residents in USA happy. IMHO nothing will change for us (Turkish and Armenian folks living in Turkey), don’t know about Armenians living in Armenia. So why are you happy?

ismaildonmez 5y ago
> So why are you happy? Because I don’t care if I come from country X, atrocities all around the world have been committed, and still being committed. People have to be responsible for this suffering, we shouldn’t be able to shout “Fake News!” to everything and get away with it.
- belgesel 5y ago
  I think people need another 100 years to forget about it. It's just a toy in the hands of politicians. And now they choose to use it against Turkey. Some day this whole thing will be forgotten. Nobody living today are responsible or should be responsible for it.
  - orestarod 5y ago
    That's what baffles me. If no one today is responsible, why does the present Turkish state deny the facts? My take is, because they are fine with the genocide and do not wish to denounce it, the first step of which is admitting it happened. The authoritarian nature of the Turkish state is nothing new and taking away glory from the imperialism of the past will hurt the legitimacy of their future plans.
  - ismaildonmez 5y ago
    It doesn’t work that way though, Turkey took over debts of Ottoman Empire for a reason, this is the same.

joelbluminator 5y ago

This is pretty recent and got good reviews https://www.amazon.com/Thirty-Year-Genocide-Destruction-Christian-Minorities/dp/067491645X https://www.amazon.com/Thirty-Year-Genocide-Destruction-Chri...