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It's crazy that everyone here seems to blindly accept that this was actually a deepfake just because the news says so. Odds are this wasn't a deepfake.
by FDSGSG 5y ago
It's crazy that everyone here seems to blindly accept that this was actually a deepfake just because the news says so. Odds are this wasn't a deepfake.
- JimBlackwood 5y agoWhat is the alternative? The government themselves claim it to be a deepfake[1], not the news. [1] https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/kamerleden-vergaderen-met-deepfake-imitatie-van-stafchef-russische-oppositieleider-navalny~b04b5322/ https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/kamerleden-verg...
- FDSGSG 5y agoYeah, but that's only because in 2021 everything is a deepfake. Even when it's just a normal fake relying on practical effects. It's cooler to blame a deepfake than a silicon mask or a fake beard.
- lucb1e 5y agoSimply a lookalike? I have no idea if that's what happened, I don't know how much work it is to find a willing person that looks sufficiently alike to do the rest with fake hair, makeup, and a decent amount of jpeg. Training a computer is probably easier nowadays. So if it was a deepfake, that begs the question: how was it detected? There is some research into detecting that, but did the impostors not bother implementing countermeasures? Are there no known countermeasures? How were the artifacts, can we tell them apart from compression artifacts with the naked eye? Can the artifacts tell us what software was used? All of that is irrelevant if it's an impostor and very interesting if it's a deepfake, hence the question seems like a relevant one to me.
- Veen 5y agoIt's not really in the interests of Dutch politicians to claim they were duped by a deepfake when they weren't. It makes them look foolish.
- tremon 5y agoClaiming they were duped by a deepfake makes them look foolish either way, at least to me.
- sofixa 5y agoHave you seen the screenshots or recent deepfakes? They are good.
- janfoeh 5y agoThe more sophisticated your adversary, the less blame falls on you. It's the same with all those breach notifications talking up "advanced persistent threats" and "state-level actors". It's better to have been fooled by AI magic trickery than a guy with a fake beard glued to his face.
- lostlogin 5y agoIt funny to me that this has been chalked up to ‘state-level actors’. When it involves a Russian dissident and disinformation, is the list of nations potentially involved particularly long?