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> I don't have anything to say about people that uses a slurs against themselves because that isn't what I saw in 4Chan. It was someone calling other people "Ar

> I don't have anything to say about people that uses a slurs against themselves because that isn't what I saw in 4Chan. It was someone calling other people "Archfags" as an insult, and each of the other examples I cited were used as insults. I've checked /g/ a few times since I posted my original comment to see if it was a fluke, but nope: Still lots of racial & homophobic insults. I think you interpret these words are insults when they are simply descriptors. You keep saying they are used so commonly but you don't provide any context for these quotes. Let us consider: https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/archfag/ https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/archfag/ On the first page of 25 comments, 10 were used in a manner of disagreement with the person referred to, 5 were self-descriptors, 5 were in praise of others, and 5 were with no positive or negative inference to it. If we search or "Arch user" instead: https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/%22arch%20user%22/ https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/%22arch%20user%22/ We get rather similar results. > So let's break it down: Given that the phrase “Arch user” is used insultingly with the same frequency, would you apply the same logic to the word “user”?

solosoyokaze 6y ago
It doesn't matter how they claim it's being used. It's a slur. The user of the slur doesn't get to decide who's offended by it. It's an offensive term just like the N word.
- Blikkentrekker 6y ago
  Perhaps it is, but that's a completely argument than the one proffered by the user I was responding to. I'm refuting those claims, which are falsifiable, your claims are not and are merely a moral axiom such as “Stealing is bad.” which entail no factual, falsifiable component.
- throwaway0xa 6y ago
  >It doesn't matter how they claim it's being used. Except it does. You're going into a community and projecting your sense of what is and is not offensive. They don't find it offensive or see it as a slur, you do. You're seeking their community out, they're not coming to your home and calling you an "Archfag". >The user of the slur doesn't get to decide who's offended by it. Of course, because offense is taken, not given. No one said otherwise. >It's an offensive term just like the N word. It's not offensive if you're Black and you use it in the Black community. Exactly the same as a 4channer using "-fag" its usage not being offensive in the 4chan community. You literally just proved his point. QED.
  - solosoyokaze 6y ago
    The "community" is the actual world we live in. A message board isn't isolated from that. It's offensive and a slur in the real world, of which 4chan is a tiny subset.
    - throwaway0xa 6y ago
      >The "community" is the actual world we live in. Wrong. The "community" is a small internet board that you actively have to seek out. It is not the "greater actual world we live in", it's a subset of it, with different sensibilities, culture, etc. No one has to seek out the "greater actual world we live in", that's a main difference. >A message board isn't isolated from that. Yes it is, it absolutely is, as proven above. >It's offensive and a slur in the real world, of which 4chan is a tiny subset. It's not offensive in 4chan, which is a subset of the "real world". You literally just proved my point again, it's not offensive everywhere "in the greater real world". QED. Using your illogic, Black people saying the n-word would be offensive everywhere "in the real world", but it's not offensive in the Black community, a subset "of the real world". QED.
      - solosoyokaze 6y ago
        Your case to freely be racist with no repercussions is unconvincing. 4chan’s cover story doesn’t matter. It’s clearly a huge center for racism and other forms of discrimination. You’re literally arguing to use slurs. 4chan most definitely exists in the real world and is subject to its morals. It doesn’t matter if you use a slur at a private club, Internet forum or at home. It doesn’t change its offensiveness.
        throwaway0xa 6y ago
        >Your case to freely be racist with no repercussions is unconvincing. Stop strawmaning and shifting the goal posts because you've been proven wrong. We're not talking about racism in our thread here. >4chan’s cover story doesn’t matter It's not a "cover story", it's logically what's happening. >You’re literally arguing to use slurs. Wrong, they're not slurs. Just checked the dictionary, and "Archfag" is not listed as a slur. Neither is "oldfag" or "summerfag". Now you're literally arguing delusions that you've created that are nonsensical.

solosoyokaze 6y ago

It doesn't matter how they claim it's being used. It's a slur. The user of the slur doesn't get to decide who's offended by it. It's an offensive term just like the N word.

Blikkentrekker 6y ago
Perhaps it is, but that's a completely argument than the one proffered by the user I was responding to. I'm refuting those claims, which are falsifiable, your claims are not and are merely a moral axiom such as “Stealing is bad.” which entail no factual, falsifiable component.
throwaway0xa 6y ago
>It doesn't matter how they claim it's being used. Except it does. You're going into a community and projecting your sense of what is and is not offensive. They don't find it offensive or see it as a slur, you do. You're seeking their community out, they're not coming to your home and calling you an "Archfag". >The user of the slur doesn't get to decide who's offended by it. Of course, because offense is taken, not given. No one said otherwise. >It's an offensive term just like the N word. It's not offensive if you're Black and you use it in the Black community. Exactly the same as a 4channer using "-fag" its usage not being offensive in the 4chan community. You literally just proved his point. QED.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  The "community" is the actual world we live in. A message board isn't isolated from that. It's offensive and a slur in the real world, of which 4chan is a tiny subset.
  - throwaway0xa 6y ago
    >The "community" is the actual world we live in. Wrong. The "community" is a small internet board that you actively have to seek out. It is not the "greater actual world we live in", it's a subset of it, with different sensibilities, culture, etc. No one has to seek out the "greater actual world we live in", that's a main difference. >A message board isn't isolated from that. Yes it is, it absolutely is, as proven above. >It's offensive and a slur in the real world, of which 4chan is a tiny subset. It's not offensive in 4chan, which is a subset of the "real world". You literally just proved my point again, it's not offensive everywhere "in the greater real world". QED. Using your illogic, Black people saying the n-word would be offensive everywhere "in the real world", but it's not offensive in the Black community, a subset "of the real world". QED.
    - solosoyokaze 6y ago
      Your case to freely be racist with no repercussions is unconvincing. 4chan’s cover story doesn’t matter. It’s clearly a huge center for racism and other forms of discrimination. You’re literally arguing to use slurs. 4chan most definitely exists in the real world and is subject to its morals. It doesn’t matter if you use a slur at a private club, Internet forum or at home. It doesn’t change its offensiveness.
      - throwaway0xa 6y ago
        >Your case to freely be racist with no repercussions is unconvincing. Stop strawmaning and shifting the goal posts because you've been proven wrong. We're not talking about racism in our thread here. >4chan’s cover story doesn’t matter It's not a "cover story", it's logically what's happening. >You’re literally arguing to use slurs. Wrong, they're not slurs. Just checked the dictionary, and "Archfag" is not listed as a slur. Neither is "oldfag" or "summerfag". Now you're literally arguing delusions that you've created that are nonsensical.